Drug deaths in Scotland hit record high

[Tibbermoresaint]

Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

At least youre taking responsibility for coming across as a massive fanny.

The irony 

[The Moonster]

5 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

I'd've said being a feral piece of filth was most likely. But of course there always has to be an excuse. No-one is responsible for their own actions.

A "cause" for something happening doesn't equal an "excuse" for something happening. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Why would he make it up (he'll answer for himself I'm sure)? An example might be a kid in mid teens, multiple arrests and charged with several offences committed during each incident, within a chaotic life and it would soon mount up.
As for what might "cause" such behaviour... childhood sexual abuse, most likely. I accept that all victims don't offend but they do often present with other symptoms of psychological disorder.

Knocked it out the park with that one. Well said.

[Sergeant Wilson]

7 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

I'd've said being a feral piece of filth was most likely. But of course there always has to be an excuse. No-one is responsible for their own actions.

Do you accept that psychological injury or illness can be acquired through trauma?

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, The Moonster said:

A "cause" for something happening doesn't equal an "excuse" for something happening. 

Indeed. 

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

Do you accept that psychological injury or illness can be acquired through trauma?

Yes.

[The Moonster]

Just now, Tibbermoresaint said:

Indeed. 

Stop saying everyone's excusing junkies behaviour then.

[Tibbermoresaint]

Just now, The Moonster said:

Stop saying everyone's excusing junkies behaviour then.

I will when people stop excusing junkies' behaviour.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I will when people stop excusing junkies' behaviour.

No ones excusing behaviour, its obviously unacceptable but understanding why something happens is better than writing people off. In simple terms, help people get off drugs will reduce crime and the healthcare costs, insurance costs etc. Its in everyones interests to reduce drug misuse and only be understanding and tackling the causes can we fix it.

[Sergeant Wilson]

5 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

 

Yes.

Do you accept that the symptoms of that psychological injury or illness could include impulsive behaviour or angry outbursts?

[Tibbermoresaint]

Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

No ones excusing behaviour, its obviously unacceptable but understanding why something happens is better than writing people off. In simple terms, help people get off drugs will reduce crime and the healthcare costs, insurance costs etc. Its in everyones interests to reduce drug misuse and only be understanding and tackling the causes can we fix it.

You've been merrily telling us about people you know with scores of convictions. Not once have you mentioned their victims. Why is that?

The simple unpalatable truth is that some people don't deserve a place in society. They can and should be written off..

[Tibbermoresaint]

2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Do you accept that the symptoms of that psychological injury or illness could include impulsive behaviour or angry outbursts?

Yes. Do you accept that such things don't absolve people of their responsibilities to other people and to society in general?

[The Moonster]

4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

The simple unpalatable truth is that some people don't deserve a place in society. They can and should be written off..

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, eh?

[Tibbermoresaint]

Just now, The Moonster said:

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, eh?

Some simply aren't equal to others. That's just reality.

[oneteaminglasgow]

How, exactly, does writing off junkies benefit their victims?

[Robin.Hood]

The simple unpalatable truth is that some people don't deserve a place in society. They can and should be written off..

Who are these some people?

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

Yes. Do you accept that such things don't absolve people of their responsibilities to other people and to society in general?

Clearly not absolve, but it's important to establish if there is a root cause before deciding action. If that can be done you can decide the degree of punishment and course of rehabilitation. Ultimately some won't rehabilitate, those people might need to be held separately from others.

[Dons_1988]

Some commitment to this from Tibbermore here

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

You've been merrily telling us about people you know with scores of convictions. Not once have you mentioned their victims. Why is that?
The simple unpalatable truth is that some people don't deserve a place in society. They can and should be written off..

Merrily telling you? Ffs man its a fucking tragedy this is happening but its pretty clear your ‘lock the b*****ds up’ approach which is all we’ve ever had isn’t working.

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

How, exactly, does writing off junkies benefit their victims?

It'll prevent them from having further victims.

1 minute ago, G_Man1985 said:

 

 

Who are these some people?

 

That's for society to decide. But I'd suggest junkies who commit crimes to fund their habit should be included. Others will disagree.

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

Clearly not absolve, but it's important to establish if there is a root cause before deciding action. If that can be done you can decide the degree of punishment and course of rehabilitation. Ultimately some won't rehabilitate, those people might need to be held separately from others.

Sure. But people over the age of criminal responsibility need to be held accountable for their actions. The onus should be on them to make the correct choices in their lives. 

[The Moonster]

Does "writing off" mean sending all junkies to prison for the rest of their days or simply just letting them die?