Shannon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 The annual Friday night Marymass Derby has been going since 1921 and gets around 800-1000 supporters which is one of the biggest crowds of the season especially for the Vics. It's a great way to promote our football teams and grade of football to people who don't normally come to our games and hope they come down to more games. Also with clubs now in different leagues its a great way for the town's two teams to play each other every season. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Shannon said: The annual Friday night Marymass Derby has been going since 1921 and gets around 800-1000 supporters which is one of the biggest crowds of the season especially for the Vics. It's a great way to promote our football teams and grade of football to people who don't normally come to our games and hope they come down to more games. Also with clubs now in different leagues its a great way for the town's two teams to play each other every season. So in simple terms it's good for Irvine and means nothing to anyone else. Think we will start an annual segdoune queen annual fitba game and get the region to let us play on a Friday night? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 So in simple terms it's good for Irvine and means nothing to anyone else. Think we will start an annual segdoune queen annual fitba game and get the region to let us play on a Friday night?You wouldn’t have anyone to play though.You should be happy Meadow didn’t have a game today. Your crowd was boosted by a good 20+ meadow fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 minute ago, .Stuart. said: You wouldn’t have anyone to play though. You should be happy Meadow didn’t have a game today. Your crowd was boosted by a good 20+ meadow fans. We did have a good crowd today hurlford brought a good crowd and cheers to the 20 odd medda fans for turning up for an overall crowd around 400 . Not trying to be nasty about the marymass game just pointing out which I think is wrong no matter how many years it's been done. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 So in simple terms it's good for Irvine and means nothing to anyone else. Think we will start an annual segdoune queen annual fitba game and get the region to let us play on a Friday night?It's also good for Junior football as lets people in Ayrshire and beyond see it's not just kids football and semi professional non league. Also a lot of both committee's and fans are involved in Marymass Saturday so if either team played Saturday it would be a very poor crowd plus real struggle for players, committee or opposition to get into and out of Irvine today at 12-2 when teams would be arriving / leaving.It would be good if could still be played as league cup section game but league now starts earlier for good reason so only a 'friendly' but a well attended friendly that helps promote the Juniors to people of Irvine plus often neutrals come down to game too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 So in simple terms it's good for Irvine and means nothing to anyone else. Think we will start an annual segdoune queen annual fitba game and get the region to let us play on a Friday night?I am from Kilwinning but was on the Vics committee for a good few years, the Marymass Derby is a focal point of the weekend & is an essential point of the celebrations. It always attracts a huge crowd that benefits the Vics particularly when it is our home gate, pretty poor comments from you as you must know the history behind this game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, Shannon said: It's also good for Junior football as lets people in Ayrshire and beyond see it's not just kids football and semi professional non league. Also a lot of both committee's and fans are involved in Marymass Saturday so if either team played Saturday it would be a very poor crowd plus real struggle for players, committee or opposition to get into and out of Irvine today at 12-2 when teams would be arriving / leaving. It would be good if could still be played as league cup section game but league now starts earlier for good reason so only a 'friendly' but a well attended friendly that helps promote the Juniors to people of Irvine plus often neutrals come down to game too. Cheers for your reply and I agree with some of your points but again the only town this promotes is Irvine it does nothing for kilwinning, stevenston kilbirnie or any other town in the west you are only looking at it from an Irvine point of view and as you say it a big annual event but in my opinion if a team in the West has no game on a Saturday because of this event it's wrong! And I know it creates a lot of money for both club's but it's not in the interests of other clubs to help fill their rival's bank balance. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Cheers for your reply and I agree with some of your points but again the only town this promotes is Irvine it does nothing for kilwinning, stevenston kilbirnie or any other town in the west you are only looking at it from an Irvine point of view and as you say it a big annual event but in my opinion if a team in the West has no game on a Saturday because of this event it's wrong! And I know it creates a lot of money for both club's but it's not in the interests of other clubs to help fill their rival's bank balance.Whoever had Meadow or Vic's on Marymass Saturday at home would have a very small away crowd so would have a reduced income today and whoever had them away from home would struggle for their players, officials and fans get to Meadow or Vics Park in time for kick off due to traffic restrictions and road closures that would make it a nightmare for teams that don't know Irvine to get around. Agree to disagree on this but I can see when teams go into pyramid questions being asked but a lot of very valid reasons to continue this traditional derby game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Shannon said: 17 minutes ago, wow-wee said: Cheers for your reply and I agree with some of your points but again the only town this promotes is Irvine it does nothing for kilwinning, stevenston kilbirnie or any other town in the west you are only looking at it from an Irvine point of view and as you say it a big annual event but in my opinion if a team in the West has no game on a Saturday because of this event it's wrong! And I know it creates a lot of money for both club's but it's not in the interests of other clubs to help fill their rival's bank balance. Whoever had Meadow or Vic's on Marymass Saturday at home would have a very small away crowd so would have a reduced income today and whoever had them away from home would struggle for their players, officials and fans get to Meadow or Vics Park in time for kick off due to traffic restrictions and road closures that would make it a nightmare for teams that don't know Irvine to get around. Agree to disagree on this but I can see when teams go into pyramid questions being asked but a lot of very valid reasons to continue this traditional derby game. Yup think ,we will agree to disagree very valid points you make there but it's all about opinions. Yes I've been to the marymass many times was taken over by my grand parents and parent's and was always at the shows on the moor on a Friday night . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Cheers for your reply and I agree with some of your points but again the only town this promotes is Irvine it does nothing for kilwinning, stevenston kilbirnie or any other town in the west you are only looking at it from an Irvine point of view and as you say it a big annual event but in my opinion if a team in the West has no game on a Saturday because of this event it's wrong! And I know it creates a lot of money for both club's but it's not in the interests of other clubs to help fill their rival's bank balance.We should schedule Meadow v Buffs and Vics v Someone next season for Marymass Saturday. Good luck getting down Kilwinning Road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pennel Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Did the Kilwinning guy just suggest that Irvine Victoria were one of their biggest rivals ? I think he did ! Mon the Vics ! Get intae thae arrogant bastids ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eamonn Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) On 23/08/2019 at 16:24, Bestsinceslicebread said: Well my view of St Rochs game against Dalry. Might be a bit harsh but I can only tell it the way I seen it They played a back four and I didn't see anyone capable of taking command, in the air they were very susceptible, no intensity, no one wanting that ball. I will say the front line of Dalry caused the St Rochs hell as their intensity and control was excellent and that's where St Rochs lacked, no one to hit a winner of a tackle to let the two front pairing know that if they are going for the ball they will have no time to relax and will be tackled. The two center backs looked totally out of depth or as if they were just starting in the junior grade, (no doubt someone will tell me one of them is experienced :-|) - I just never seen it.. The goalkeeper, Gee wizz, I felt bad for him, 3.0 down inside 20 minutes, even the Dalry Keeper had a 50/50 challenge to clear in his own penalty area and when he cleared it, it just looped, and looped and lopped over the despairing keeper. He actually pulled of a coupe, of cracking saves, so judgment on him could not be said as he just was not helped by any team mate in the first half. Midfield wise, too many people thinking they can do other peoples job. There was no width, especially on their right side, (in saying that the right midfield looked suited more to central midfield. there was a few plays on the left wing but in saying that most of the bodies were down that side so the lad on the width didn't enjoy too many chances of isolating his opponent. Lots of time the St Rochs player would run waiting on a pass, no one dropping back to the receive the ball. hardest thing to do if all your teammates in front of you are just running away and all you can see is their numbers. The front line,, pheewwll, no one in control, again no one in charge, and too many straying offside waiting on a ball being thrown in. The Dalry defence were easily able to stay in structure, they were worried but some of the goals Dalry lost were their own fault, diving in when no need to. St Rochs did have a few shot son target but the Dalry defence were usually blocking the shots but the two goals before half time were deserved. Most of what St Rochs did was through the middle, no width, some good players with the ball at their feet and after the mental onslaught of being 5.0 they tried to steady the ship. They played more confidently in the second half and looked more at ease with the structure Regarding the incident that nearly had the game abandoned, for me its all hearsay as I never seen it but a supporter was allegedly supposed to have jumped on the park and kick the ball at the Dalry Keeper. I was told it was the lad who was continually swearing from the start of the match with the big Flag on both sides of the park. The referee stopped the game until the offending supporter was ejected form the park but he never left, eventually the referee restarted at the point of the incident on the advice and pressure from both sets of players. I'm sorry if this is tough but the way that lad was acting there is no way as manager I would allow anyone of that nature to be a follower of the team or be involved in any capacity and that's even before the alleged running onto the park to kick the ball in the second half incident. It is the reason, (and being soaking wet), that I decided to take my 10 year nephew from the stadium. I have been working in youth football a while and been part of coaching teams that have successfully put lads into the junior and senior ranks but on the evidence of the St Rochs game with the not nice experience of a minority I just could not allow any lads I work with going to St Rochs. Hopefully that was a once off incident, I like to think so. To be honest both sets of fans were boisterous and nothing really about it, just normal, there were a couple from either side shouting normal rubbish but you get that in nearly every team. Part and parcel not only of junior football but of most levels. Dalry were 5.0 up, doing fantastic, intensity, making St Rochs run about mad and also had 3 goals chopped off for offside, all rightly so but at 5.0 down, you don't continue to chase the game, you consolidate, slow it down and don't give the ball away. I felt as Dalry continued to chase that's why the game finished up 6.5. If you were a fan, or natural fan of football like I was then the game was well worth the entrance fee. But what a mental game. it did happen the man with the big flag did run on the park and kick the ball he was acting crazy all through the game to much booze maybe or maybe he was barmy i cant say ! the police came and escorted the man out of the park . the Dalry committee had asked the police to escort him out the park as they did not want him to be arrested .all credit to the Dalry committee for there common sense , no one could see this happen in a wet Dalry night Edited August 25, 2019 by eamonn adding to my comment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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