newcastle broon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 22/10/2023 at 23:32, Shannon said: No disrespect to the supporters of Edinburgh Uni and Gretna 2008 but once they both go down the Lowland League really will be very tight at both ends of the table and far better league for it. You could have an ex SPFL club in Albion Rovers, East Stirling or Berwick Rangers in particular going down to West / East of Scotland leagues. I know Cowdenbeath also another but I think when EK go up they may then go for a promotion push & seem okay... as literally no point for them spending big cash at moment although Cumbernauld Colts are doing amazing to challenge EK / Tranent / Bo'ness. I know at the moment it is tight between Edinburgh Uni & Gretna but a big game to 16th spot and I don't expect either team to even get to 13 points or get close to challenge 16th. On 23/10/2023 at 00:41, stanley said: Certainly wouldn't surprise me to see an ex-SPFL club go down in the next few years. I think it would definitely happen if relegation opened up more/if there was at least one guaranteed relegation spot each season. East Stirling are probably one of the favourites to go down when Gretna and Edinburgh Uni are finally out of the league (we might not even see one of them go down this year the way Elgin/Forfar are doing so far). Instead of nitpicking on the LL particularly Gretna and Edinburgh Uni could yous not post this on the league 2 forum and point out how well Cove Kelty Bonnyrigg and now Spartans are doing coming from non league football? End of the day it's the same old shouts that the LL should open up but until the SPFL do then the LL won't be in any hurry to change their relegation format. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, newcastle broon said: Instead of nitpicking on the LL particularly Gretna and Edinburgh Uni could yous not post this on the league 2 forum and point out how well Cove Kelty Bonnyrigg and now Spartans are doing coming from non league football? End of the day it's the same old shouts that the LL should open up but until the SPFL do then the LL won't be in any hurry to change their relegation format. Both things can be true. Your strawman argument does you no favours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 hours ago, newcastle broon said: Instead of nitpicking on the LL particularly Gretna and Edinburgh Uni could yous not post this on the league 2 forum and point out how well Cove Kelty Bonnyrigg and now Spartans are doing coming from non league football? End of the day it's the same old shouts that the LL should open up but until the SPFL do then the LL won't be in any hurry to change their relegation format. I've often said how great Cove etc. are doing and how the SPFL should open up more relegation spots (10th down automatically, 9th facing a playoff). I'm not sure why that contradicts me also wanting the Lowland League to open up more relegation spots. I'm not sure who benefits from Edinburgh Uni and Gretna languishing at the bottom of the table for another year or two (certainly don't think it does either club much good). There's really no merit in the argument that the LL should stay at potentially 0 relegation spots just because the SPFL does the same. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, morrison said: Your strawman argument does you no favours. No arguing wi anybody so not sure what you on about. Basically stating 2 stubborn organisations quite happy to plod on as they are. 1 hour ago, stanley said: I'm not sure why that contradicts me also wanting the Lowland League to open up more relegation spots. I'm not sure who benefits from Edinburgh Uni and Gretna languishing at the bottom of the table for another year or two (certainly don't think it does either club much good). There's really no merit in the argument that the LL should stay at potentially 0 relegation spots just because the SPFL does the same. It doesn't do either club much good but the higher you are the higher profile you get with the media etc. so I think both clubs be happy to hang in there as long as they can. No there isn't any merit but try telling the LL that. As I've pointed out I don't think it's going to change anytime soon and for the record it's ridiculous that there might not be any relegation whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Although things move incredibly slowly, I'm confident that the relegation spots will finally change. I think it's more likely that the Lowland League will open up relegation first (as the member clubs change over time and more ex-juniors gradually enter the league they'll likely have another vote at some point that is passed). I think the SPFL will change in time too but it could take several years. Hopefully the stream of clubs out of the SPFL (five of the established league clubs already gone) will eventually make clubs wake up and realise that they need to have an easier route back in. Edited October 24, 2023 by stanley 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rockson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 22 hours ago, stanley said: Although things move incredibly slowly, I'm confident that the relegation spots will finally change. I think it's more likely that the Lowland League will open up relegation first (as the member clubs change over time and more ex-juniors gradually enter the league they'll likely have another vote at some point that is passed). I think the SPFL will change in time too but it could take several years. Hopefully the stream of clubs out of the SPFL (five of the established league clubs already gone) will eventually make clubs wake up and realise that they need to have an easier route back in. What easier route? Maybe from the HL but have any of the clubs relegated to it even fnished second in the LL? A club relegated from the SPFL isn't exactly an attractive proposition for ambitious players, ie the ones they'd need in order to do well in the LL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, rockson said: What easier route? Maybe from the HL but have any of the clubs relegated to it even fnished second in the LL? A club relegated from the SPFL isn't exactly an attractive proposition for ambitious players, ie the ones they'd need in order to do well in the LL. If the champions were guaranteed promotion then, yes, it would be an easier route back into the league. If relegation was opened up more from the SPFL then you'd also eventually see one of the clubs promoted into the SPFL be relegated back down and one of the clubs relegated into the LL promoted back up. Right now, it's generally the historically weaker league clubs coming down but once most of them go down, you might see one of the slightly bigger clubs get relegated out of the league too. Brechin were obviously champions of the HL last season and are title challengers again this season. Elgin look a certainty to go down to the HL in the next few years too (if not this season) as they are regularly struggling in League Two and you've got Forfar struggling this season. It's certainly in the interests of HL-area clubs to open up relegation/promotion more. The LL is a different picture due to the huge number of clubs in that area compared to the HL and many of the biggest non-league clubs gradually working their way into the LL. Eventually, however, the situation will change as clubs find their natural level but it's going to take a long time under the current system for that to happen. Edited October 25, 2023 by stanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, stanley said: If the champions were guaranteed promotion then, yes, it would be an easier route back into the league. If relegation was opened up more from the SPFL then you'd also eventually see one of the clubs promoted into the SPFL be relegated back down and one of the clubs relegated into the LL promoted back up. Right now, it's generally the historically weaker league clubs coming down but once most of them go down, you might see one of the slightly bigger clubs get relegated out of the league too. If the champions were guaranteed promotion. Then you're talking about two automatic relegations from the SPFL (to be replaced by one from the HL and another from the LL if it's guaranteed promotion for champions.) That would be two relegations from a league of ten clubs. Which would be insane. And a relegated club would still have to be champion to make it back up. Which hasn't happened yet in the LL (and I would suggest won't for a very long time.) btw Brechin were not historically weaker. Arguably neither were Berwick. Cowdenbeath weren't habitual bottom feeders either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrIrvinePollock Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Any chance @lokforever could stop polluting the site with his highlight package. Every thread you open has them! If only there was a 'recent match videos thread'........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Smiler Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 ffs why is everyone banging on about relegaton????? its PROMOTION that matters. whats better two relegation and two promotion or no relegation and 4 promotion into the LL??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyBlue Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 There should be some good ties tomorrow if the weather allows. Bit of a pity I'll be stuck at ER probably watching us get pumped by Celtic, would have been good to nip along and see Tranent v East Kilbride. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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