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On 08/08/2022 at 10:14, sonsanorak said:
If John's fit I'd have him back, we dont have another player in the squad that can play the target man role well.
If we are seriously considering signing a slightly overweight target man from the amateur ranks who’s best years are 15 good ones behind him, someone send Faz my number.
Do they even do XXL squad shirts?
The dream’s no dead yet…
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36 minutes ago, BallochSonsFan said:
Some baffling decisions from the ref today….Booking Long for trying to take a free kick from the wrong place, only to ignore Currie doing exactly the same thing barely 90 seconds later was particularly poor.
I noticed the ref giving Long the ‘hurry up’ motion earlier in the half and assume the caution was for deliberate time wasting later in the game, rather than for what you suggest. Hence why Currie wasn’t cautioned. Generally though I agree he was inconsistent but the majority of the cards were warranted imo, with the exception of McLean’s.
4 hours ago, BB_Bino said:Iwhat the 2 Captains were booked for I have no idea, in the end it was McLean and Buchanan that calmed the situation down.
The current guidance following a ‘mass confrontation’ is for sanctions to be given to the offending player and “one additional player from each team”. I assume the referee picked both captains in the hope they’d help calm their respective teams at a time when it looked like the game could boil over.
Like most I’m pleased with the result but there remains questions over the performance and in particular Faz’s ability to change the approach when it’s clearly not working, as was the case for the first 20mins of the second half when it was clear our midfield duo in the middle were being overrun yet Faz didn’t address it.
Thought Carsy did well at CH and it’s clear that’s now his best position for us. Long continues to look the signing of the summer with another assured performance.
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22 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
I think you might be slightly disappointed in that regard! Apparently he is suspended for next weekend which is a total bummer tbh. He’d be the first name on the team sheet for me.
A young new signing showing early promise isn’t available for the opening league game? The Dumbarton way. Still, always great to see young guys come in a do so well so fingers crossed. About time we had another local cult hero to fill Gary Fleming’s boots.
I reckon another two signings through the door and we’re pretty much there. A young left back o moan from a Premiership club, in a similar mould to Paul McGinn please. Swiftly followed by an experienced forward as I think we’re still light in that department.
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Wasn’t at the game but from Twitter that’s another peach of a strike from young Gray. Very encouraging signing so far and looking forward to seeing him for the first time next weekend.
Anyone at the game able to summarise the performance?
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1 hour ago, Greenmachine said:
Would love to see a Sons v Bankies derby match in this seasons Scottish Cup.
Think it would be a right good game.
I’d love to see the Sons v Bankies back as a regular league fixture. Would be Graeme at to have proper derby fixtures in the league again.
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9 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said:
Killie's reason a few seasons back was to make it easier to defend as they were struggling and stop other teams from playing in a more expansive way.
I’m certain that’s one of the first things Murray did when he came in, for similar reasons. That’s why it’s a bit baffling we’ve taken that approach this season when you would expect us to be wanting to open games up as you’d be hoping we’re challenging at the top.
If it’s a decision made for the same reason we’re in for another home borefest of a season imo.
Taking the touchline out of the stand shadow is an interesting theory but for the one or two games a season where that would matter I wouldn’t see it as the primary reason. Maybe one of our journo pals can ask the question.
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Really poor from us today. Doesn’t bode well for the season ahead. I’ll just echo what others have said re lack of game plan and some bizarre tactics. Constant long hopeful balls a strong Stirling team would’ve dealt with all day long.
Pleased with Long who looks the competent goalkeeper we’ve been missing for a few seasons. David Wilson far from impressive.
I’d be interested in the reasoning behind pulling the pitch in. At least 3-yards on both sides makes the pitch considerably tighter and imo doesn’t set us up for a season of free flowing attacking football.
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So who is going along to the launch night tonight? It’s good to see the club opening the doors and making an event of the kit launch, at a good time of year as well. Hopefully thy make it an annual event and not a one off for the 150 celebrations.
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Not overly fussed about Stanger. Looked ok in spells in what was ultimately a shambles of a defence but will be forever remember for the two calamity gaffes in the play-off semi. Good luck to him.
Id say the recruitment so far has been “ok”. Nothing more and it’ll be interesting to see the shape of the squad come July when we can make a full assessment. What’s obvious is that Farrell will need an immediate winning start to the league campaign.
I’ll be renewing my ST next month. I feet not doing so only weakens the squad building potential, given we’ll see zero investment from the owners, but respect those who take a different view based on other factors.
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Surely the point is that we are reaching out to the wider football community and creating a link that will in future create either first team players or fans! I take on board PL’s comments regarding Club Academy football but that costs money that lost clubs don’t have, hence the relatively small number of clubs operating through CAS. I think the latter is achievable though if the club are building relations with the community. Surely that and other community initiatives should be applauded?
The above doesn’t detract from the shambles on the first team football side, but there’s a sense at the moment that absolutely everything is negative and the club deserve both barrels on everything.
Anything the club are doing to strengthen community relations should be applauded imo. It’s what we’ve failed to do for past generations and it’ll arguably have a more realistic benefit longer term than the mythical stadium extravaganza on Renton Road.
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The Sonstrust have issued a letter to the Club with a copy going to all members with valid email addresses. For those of you who may not have it, I've copied and pasted below.
The Trust Board acknowledge your email of 26th April in response to our enquiries about the ownership of Dumbarton FC. In light of the critical situation on the park over the past couple of weeks, we have delayed our response to your email. Now that relegation has sadly been confirmed, I am writing on behalf of the Trust Board to relay the serious concern of supporters about the current situation at the Club. Regrettably, your email leaves many of our original concerns and questions unanswered. It seems clear to us that Cognitive Capital have bought the 3.4 acres of land from the Club for nothing more than vague promises about building a better future. The following is a list of questions for which we still seek answers: -
• the owners state that the land transaction was made at fair value. How much was this "fair" value and who made this assessment?
• what measures are in place to determine the future value of monies due to the Club, which the owners state will be money or a new stadium? • there is a huge gulf between the cost of a new stadium and the monies that a house builder may make from 3.4 acres of brownfield land. If Cognitive Capital, by way of More Homes DFC, are shouldering all of the risk, then surely there must be a fixed amount payable to the Club now?
• do the owners have a 'Plan B' if they develop the land to the north of the stadium and sales fall short of expectations? We are after all in difficult economic times, taking cognizance of ongoing and significant global price increases for materials currently being experienced in the construction industry. Does the Club accept a lower return on the value of the land if Cognitive don't make as much as they think? If so, then this risk does not rest solely with Cognitive Capital as your earlier response suggests.
• your email says that Cognitive Capital represents a group of investors led by a Norwegian consortium. It begs the question as to why these investors need to borrow a 'modest' £2million from Pendragon Group Ltd., a Private Limited Company based in Oxfordshire.
To summarise the concerns of supporters: the outline planning permission on the land to the north of the stadium should be the club's insurance policy were we to need to fund major stadium repairs, other unexpected costs or to increase the playing budget in an effort to halt our current slide down the leagues. Instead, it appears to us that we no longer own the land and have received an IOU from Cognitive Capital and their consultant/advisor. Our concerns are compounded by our discovery that the recent West Dunbartonshire Council Local Plan no longer contains the original ‘safety clause’, which stated that the current Castle Road site could only be redeveloped if Dumbarton FC had a new ground of their own in the area built and ready for occupation. The Club could therefore be exposed to any future opportunist attempt at relocation.
We note that you have published an update on the Club website following the team's relegation from League One. Unfortunately, the only reference to the Club owners is in a single sentence, claiming that the owners have ambitious plans which, if successful, will provide us with significant revenues and much improved facilities. We believe that if the owners have ambitious plans, then now is a good time to let supporters see the detail. The supporters' view of the Club owners has been forcibly expressed to the Trust Board, most recently at our AGM. The perception of Sons supporters of the Club's owners can be summed up in the following points:-
• loans taken from Pendragon Group Ltd., secured on land belonging to Dumbarton Football Club. This done without the knowledge of the local Club Directors;
• a belief that the primary objective of the new owners was to make money from land deals. The Trust Board was sent documents anonymously, which we did not circulate widely but which would lend credence to this belief;
• no new money invested in the Club despite us being told by reliable sources that this was promised;
• a relatively modest amount of shirt and stadium sponsorship promised by the owners has not been forthcoming,
• two Associate Directors and a former Company Secretary, all committed Sons fans, resigning from their roles due to the owners continually failing to keep to their promises;
• no evidence to date of Cognitive Capital's Director, Henning Kristoffersen having links with international clubs and players. If this perception is wide of the mark, we now need the Club owners, if not in person then through yourself, to give us hard evidence rather than just warm words, that they have Dumbarton FC's best interests at heart.
To this end, I would urge you to reconsider the option of the Club owners and/or the DFC Board holding a public meeting to explain matters to the Club's supporters. The Trust Board's view is that the support deserves that. If the club is soon to be asking fans for engagement and money, there needs to be some effort to try and build a relationship that right now feels non-existent.
We have a deeply unhappy support and not without justification. We know that even loyal supporters are threatening to withhold season ticket renewals if they don't see clarity in the way forward for the Club. For what it's worth, the clear majority of supporters making their views known to the Trust Board or on social media are saying that a change is needed in the dugout. This will of course be a decision for the DFC Board. It would be interesting to know however if a decision on this will be forthcoming shortly and based on footballing or financial reasons.
We do of course echo the comments in your Chairman's statement about the efforts of volunteers who give generously of their time. As I have said on previous occasions, the Trust recognises and appreciates the work which yourself and the other local Directors do on behalf of the Club. We have to recognise however that ownership and the day-to-day running of the Club are interlinked and not separate entities. The Sons Supporters Trust also wish to engage in a spirit of openness and transparency. It is now over a year since the new owners took control of the Club promising a bright new future.
Rather than openness and transparency, there has been opaqueness, secrecy and an apparent recurring theme of the Club owners failing to deliver on promises made. As previously intimated, it proved extremely difficult to try and unravel what has happened to the Club's heritable assets, with records at Companies House revealing a number of charges and securities involving a number of companies. One year on, what is the situation with their proposal to relocate the Club to Youngs Farm. Is this still being pursued? To date the Sonstrust has seen no evidence to support the assertion that the current owners have ambitious plans to take the Club forward. Until such time as Cognitive Capital provides such evidence, we cannot see how effective fan engagement can be achieved.
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My only positive is that they weren’t as good as the 1st leg scoreline suggests. We need to play with width and tempo like we did for that 20min spell just before and after we scored.
What we can’t do is start slow and/or concede first. If that happens the atmosphere turns negative very quickly and we’re doon.
Goal in the first 10-15 mins and it’s the opposite.
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4 minutes ago, FifeSons said:
Also, can we please take a moment to acknowledge that he took Oyinsan and Syvertsen off at half time?
”Get the first goal Saturday and it’s game on” - Stevie Farrell (probably)
To be fair to Farrell, Oyinsan was worse than a man down in the first half. Either not fit or not good enough, most likely a combination of the two. The change at half time had us playing with more width and to be fair we had a decent spell just before and after our goal. Their third completely killed our momentum.
None of which should change the fact that Farrell should be punted immediately after full time on Saturay. Irrespective of any unlikely miracle.
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7 minutes ago, FifeSons said:
That’s us down.
….to business!
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50 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:
I've now seen a number of comments regarding the 150th strip/badge, and whilst people are entitled to their opinion it is better if it is an informed one. So, to put on record, almost every facet of the 150th Anniversary effort has been 'outsourced' by the DFC Board to a four-person volunteer Steering Committee of which I am a member. Our remit covers replica strips, merchandise, publications, dinners, gala matches, a Hall of Fame intro and a public exhibition. The DFC Board obviously has oversight and approval and is providing seed funding to be recompensed by sales, but the organisation, sourcing and goods are down to ourselves - all I ask is that we are judged on that basis and not on previous history.
My particular responsibility has been merchandise and as such a considerable amount of effort had been made to ensure that the gold shading on items is just that, gold. Jordo mentioned the code number and I attach the Pantone reference which was advised to our supplier. However, gold can a very difficult colour to obtain on certain items; polo shirts for example, and the attached file relates to the only manufacturer we could find in a search of almost twenty websites. Similarly, we have drilled down into the yarn colour for the scarves and hats as per the last attachment (see if you can guess which shade was selected....)
I hope that demonstrates that 'small details matter' to us too. We're doing this for the love of Dumbarton Football Club the historic institution and we're not looking for plaudits, but how about putting the trademark negativity on hold guys until you actually see the stuff ?
Fair post, but please don’t take my earlier response as criticism of the excellent work being done behind the scenes, which wasn’t the intention.
I think my general point stands though, and isn’t something the club generally have implemented in the past.
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I think the point Moonster is making here is that small details matter. The club colours should be defined, correct and consistently applied on all club branding. Every business should operate in a similar manner. We should have a defined gold (not yellow) with a set RAL number and that should be carried through everything we do.
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Faz should have been relieved of his duties after the East Fife game. Zero points from 9 against fellow relegation fodder simply wasn’t acceptable. We are heading one way at present and regardless of the mechanics of it all the decision really isn’t a difficult one to make. Doing nothing and hoping for some form of magical turnaround, when every indicator available is telling you it’s highly unlikely, is equally as unacceptable and if we go down having stuck with it the board will need to carry their share of the blame.
A change now would give us a chance. A skim one maybe but a slim chance is better than no chance, surely?
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We were poor today and never really looked like scoring. Add to that pretty lacklustre midfield and a defence that looked capable of a mistake at any moment and it’s a recipe for a convincing defeat.
Ive been supportive of Faz but it’s become increasingly diffuse to defend his position. I don’t think the board will remove him so we’ll plod on to the end of the season in the hope East Fife remain worse than us and Alloa’s poor form edges ours. Next weekend is a huge game.
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2 minutes ago, the snudge said:
If we go down then our indiscipline is going to be the cause of that. Perhaps one of the stattos will be able to confirm but I can't remember a season with so many red cards issued.
Red cards and penalties conceded. Really poor on both counts.
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4 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
I see that Cove Rangers have a sportsmans dinner with Alex Ferguson, Alex McLeish and Dick Campbell booked as speakers. I’d love to see us organise something along the lines of this. I’ve been to a few over the years (never a DFC one FWIW) and they are always very well attended.
I agree with this and have been to sportsman’s dinners at the club in the past that have been well attended. The club have two dinners planned for the 150 celebration I believe, that should tick those boxes.
The key is getting as much on at the club as possible to generate as much income as possible, and that requires a wide spectrum Of events to cover all tastes.
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17 hours ago, Sweet Pete said:
The more income the merrier, of course. Doesn't mean I need to like the fayre being offered.
If the entertainment on offer isn’t for you, don’t buy a ticket. Personal insults against a guy who will be putting on various events that, if successful, will have a net benefit to the club are a bit uncalled for and not helpful.
If you have suggestions on what you’d like to see drop the club a message. I’m sure positive feedback would be welcomed.
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6’5” tall and looks like he’ll rag doll your average League 1 defender. This excites me.
In ye come Smasher.
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11 hours ago, DobbiesAgent said:
If the supporters Trust really wanted to gain more members or hear from supporters/members then they would hold catch up meetings with supporters. I think truthfully they just won’t like what they hear in short.
I’m all for constructive criticism, and have said previously that feedback like this can be useful in pushing the Trust to improve, but I have to pick up on a couple of points here that I think are both unfair and unhelpful.
The first paragraph above implies that the Trust doesn’t really want to gain more members. Come on. Our strength lies i our numbers and the more engaged members we have the stronger voice we’ll have. When electing a new board there was a concerted effort to engage as many fans as possible and an open invitation to anyone willing to stand for election. Like similar requests for volunteers, the uptake was poor.
You make a similar point regarding people electing their pals. Election to the Trust board was a free and open process. I recall a hustings pre-match in the bar for election of our rep on the club board. It was anything but the closed shop you imply here.
10 hours ago, DobbiesAgent said:As for the trust, yeah instead of forcing every member to grab the attention of the trust maybe it would be nice of the trust to reach out and say let’s come together and hear and see if we can answer your concerns. As opposed to expecting them to come to you whilst they take the membership feeAre these people that are selected qualified in any way to be a board member of a football club? Or are they just drawn out a hat of who’s pals with who?
By any measure the above does cross the line. Is inaccurate and unfair.
1 hour ago, DobbiesAgent said:but the general vibe there is we don’t have general meetings cause we don’t want to listen to peoples concerns?
also, by no way am I shooting the messenger…but as I said and as ballochsonsafan said, maybe that needs to be having a direct trust table set up in The community suite?
I know there’s the newsletter etc but that’s fine for that younger generation. Have to consider that we have a huge number of supporters who you aren’t so easily connected via email, Facebook whatever else.We certainly do want to listen. You’re forgetting that the Trust board members are lifelong songs fans like every other fan. We share the same concerns. There is no ‘them and us’ here. There is a Trust table at every home game in Bar 72, but granted it’s maybe not as visible as it could be and that’s something we need to improve.
We are currently working on a new Trust website which is taking longer than we hoped to go live but BBPF makes a very valid point re social media. That’s the key imo to better engagement, certainly with the younger generation, balanced with a presence at home games to discuss issues/updates with those not social media savvy. However you’ll have seen from the recent Club request that social media volunteers are thin on the ground, and that makes it difficult.
Equally we need to consider fans not on social media and not able to attend home games. Emails and newsletters allow us to hit that demographic. So all outlets are useful.
I’m in Bar 72 before pretty much every home game and would be more than happy to make myself available as a Trust rep to answer any queries you have over a beer of two, as best I can. As BSF said previously though a more formal meeting has to have a clear agenda otherwise it’s nothing more that a grumbling session with unanswerable queries and frustration the Trust board with share.
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Albion Rovers vs Dumbarton
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I wasn’t there but by all accounts a pretty dismal performance, but the result as they say is all that really matters. Anyone who was there able to comment on the pitch and if that affected our play given the recent heavy rainfall?
Another result not backed up by an equal performance then, but when all said and done we’ll be finishing 2022 top of the league by at least 4 points. We’d all have taken that in August.