Skyline Drifter

I did. I even quoted it and wrote out a post about the irony in it but figured I'd just let it go and never posted it.

Well excuse me for being offline all last night and only addressing the point Edinburgh Livi made this morning.

No, not without being the legally registered owners I wouldn't have thought. I wasn't suggesting they could, merely that it would be daft to suggest they "hold no sway" over the club's actions at this point. Quite clearly they do. I'm not actually clear at this point on who the owners actually are? 'Someone' paid Massone £50k for his shares apparently. McGruther said he had made the offer on behalf of the creditors did he not? Not sure whose name those are in at this second if they haven't actually been bought by the consortium?

Quite clearly they do have, notwithstanding the legal position. The Consortium are making the calls, or at least influencing them, and the club website are sticking out statements starting "We the Consortium............".

It wasn't a bloody joke, it was irony. It's meant to be ironic, not funny.

Oh ferfecksake! This is verging on Duffman and that tv with the volume control thread. He was clearly making a point about the stupidity of the people posting the sort of things he was quoting on Livi Lions forum. Sheesh.

Irony is clearly wasted on you pair.

Yes, sounds right. I saw a list of the members last week, I just didn't pay a lot of attention to the bottom two divisions (though I do recall now you mention it that Alan Ripley was on it as I've met Alan and noted it at the time). Appears MacIntyre is still doubling up then and there are currently only eight members.

The League Management Committee is made up of three elected office bearers plus two representatives from each division. The present elected office bearers are Jim Ballantyne (Chairman) (Airdrie United), Brown McMaster (Stenhousemuir) and Donnie McIntyre (Albion Rovers). I'm not sure who the present representatives for each division are. The first division representatives are Jim Leishman (Dunfermline) and a director from Ayr United whose name I can't recall. Both are new as last year's two reps Stephen Brown (St Johnstone) and John Ruddy (Clyde) had to leave the committee as St Johnstone left the SFL and Ruddy lost his position at Clyde (and they got relegated anyway). I have no idea who the second division reps are. I know McIntyre last year doubled up as a 3rd division rep because they couldn't get a second representative from the 3rd division but I don't know if it's still the case. Jim Ballantyne made it clear last week he was taking no part in any decision on the Livingston issue as it directly affected his club. I've no idea whether he attended the meeting or not though.

You have a talent for this Ivo. That one tops the last one!

Something several people on this thread have pointed out many times since Friday. It can't have come as a major surprise.

He has done no such thing. Well not in that article anyway. Which quote have you convinced yourself says that?

No, he's right, by and large I AM sticking up for the SFL. I already said I thought they should have acted much more decisively after the first meeting a fortnight ago and personally I probably wouldn't have relegated them, I'd have gone for a points deduction, but I think they ultimately handled the situation about as well as they could have. I personally think it's quite bizarre that a sizeable number of people seem to have turned the focus of blame of this whole thing onto the SFL when it is let us remember Livingston that breached rules and then refused to fulfil a fixture.

What's he done other than confirm when asked that expulsion or a points deduction is a possibility now you've failed to fulfil a fixture? Livingston FC's conduct on Friday was a disgrace.

But that's exactly what he's doing. He's now risking the club's expulsion from the league which will leave creditors with nothing rather than taking a secure third division route. He might turn out to be right but it's most certainly a gamble.

Livi weren't allowed into the meeting? McDougall and Rankine weren't. That isn't the same thing. As I understood it McGrouther, the only man currently officially linked to Livingston, was allowed to address the meeting. The sentence may or may not have been harsh. It doesn't justify the toys out of the pram approach Livi are using now.

So, since they haven't actually entered administration yet and only entered interim administration a fortnight ago you're actually saying that the SFL have mucked this up by doing nothing for exactly as long as you think they should do nothing for?

There's no precedent in Scottish football and, Scotland DIDN'T get the points in that incident. Estonia were allowed to replay the tie with no punishment (other than the fact it was played on a neutral venue) so even if it was considered a precedent it's a precedent for the complete opposite.

I've met and spoken to David Thompson on more than one occasion. He's a decent guy and an excellent football administrator. If that's an accurate report of what he said then it'll be right enough.

I don't think there's any chance you'll now avoid a points penalty so depending on the outcome of the appeal, either 2 or 4. Personally I can't see any grounds to win the appeal so 4.

Well you are wrong.

I wasn't being pedantic (though Jesus, pot and kettle!), I had no idea what you were talking about. I thought it was some new member of the consortium or something. I thought we'd agreed all this nonsense regarding players was just that, nonsense. Is there any evidence at all that Fraser Wishart spoke to the SFL? And if so what was the outcome? Given Livingston are still claiming they'd be able to field a team at Dingwall I don't see what discussions Wishart had with the SFL, if he did, had to do with anything?

I tend to agree. I'm merely saying the Hamilton 15 points thing isn't a precedent because of the reason it was arrived at. I'm sorry, this one is going over my head so I presume I've missed something somewhere. Who is Fraser Wright and what discussions did he have with Livingston?

They don't need to be registered anywhere but they do need to be written up on an offical teamline and signed by an authorised club representative. Like I said, 11 random punters couldn't do it (and to repeat I'm sure there's a limit to the number of trialists who can play in each game.