Skyline Drifter

Interesting. McIntyre is also on the League Management Committee.

Then with all due respect you must be the only Dundee fan in existence who hasn't quoted chapter and verse about the corporate restructuring last year. It was all in the published accounts, on which there were threads on here at the time. All they did was move the debt into two subsidiary companies, Sandeman Properties Limited and Deelite Limited to separate it out from the football club. They also moved the ground into Sandeman Properties Limited.

Mmm, I never really had a problem with it. People went on and on and on about it but it didn't bother me at all. If it comes out of his backside I'll clean it. I don't really see what the fuss is about. It came out, I cleaned it up. Liquid shit comes out I clean that. Some more solid stuff appears, I clean that. No problem, never really seen what the fuss is? Indeed the wife has been known to phone to check how far away I am when he poos because it doesn't bother me at all to clean him up and she doesn't like doing it. MB I think (Maxwelltown Boy, Queens fan).

Of course you can. Dundee hived down almost all their debt to two subsidiary companies last year.

I presume you mean they invested in that 'Buy Stirling Albion' campaign? I can't imagine they actually bought shares when the guy won't actually sell any to the campaign itself.

It is a staggeringly stupid thing to say if he hasn't been misquoted. However, I'm not prepared to write the man off on the back of one bad quote. Everything else he's done since he came into the SFL has been progressive. Gordon Smith has lurched from one pr cock up to another on a regular basis since he became Chief Exec of the SFA and he's still in office.

Did he really say that? If he did that's ludicrous, and to be fair not like Longmuir at all who has barely put a foot wrong in his role since being appointed. It's like the judge refusing to convict a criminal because "the bloke's plans included an evening in the pub and getting married next week and he can't do that if he's in prison".

We got a two point deduction for fielding a player in a competitive match in 1989 prior to receiving international clearance.

If the company has a court appointed administrator in place then the law of the land has already done that. The SFL rule would only partly ease the problems of the administrator in attempting to raise funds. Like I said, it would have to be very carefully drafted indeed. And it's purely a guess as to what's being proposed. Like everyone else I'd be appalled if they are advocating simply removing the existing rule.

Gretna received a points deduction from the SPL. The SPL DOES have an automatic points deduction rule (as does the English Football League). You can't presume that Gretna sets any precedent for the SFL because it doesn't. Motherwell and Dundee went into administration before the SPL introduced the rule. Indeed part of the reason they did so was cases like those two. Livi may very well get a points deduction when and if they go into administration. Or they might not. Who can say? I doubt they'll get any heavier a deduction for the fact they've been in administration before but that too is an SFL Management Committee call. Last things first, sorry for any confusion. I presume they've changed that recently then because it was definitely a multiple vote system at the time the SPL clubs broke away. On the first point, yes, I agree, point taken. However, I wasn't making a judgement, merely highlighting that they aren't actually in administration yet as was being said over and over. I agree. If that is the thinking then I'm not against it but it would need to be drafted very carefully indeed. I'm not overly worried about protection for creditors though. Creditors generally don't have any extra protection in any other field of work so I'm not sure why they should expect it in football (not aimed at you, I jnow you didn't mention that)? The world is full of double glazing companies that are the rejuvenation of previous double glazing companies gone under with the same people involved and the wife now the shareholder or the son and daughter, etc.

I think it's wrong to pre-judge what they want to do and what they'll change it to. It's fairly clear what they want to do is find a way to get Massone out without him having to actually agree to it. The SFL cannot over-ride corporate law and, if the man simply won't sell his shares in the company, and the SFL rule says the company can't transfer its registration then fundamentally everyone is between a rock and a hard place. If they simply want to remove this rule then it will open up the opportunity for clubs to sell their "franchise" (league place) to someone else, be it a Livingston 2009 or indeed a Clydebank, Cove Rangers, etc. There's no way the SFL will want that so I can't imagine it's what they are trying to do. I suspect the proposal will be to replace the existing rule with one allowing the administrator to transfer the league place ALONG WITH all debts and other assets to a new company so that in effect it's the same company entirely just without the same obstructive majority shareholder. If such a rule can actually be drafted correctly then I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Why on earth did you even HAVE a picture of Debbie in her wedding dress before the wedding?

They have an interim "manager" in preparation for administration. They are due to go into administration (if nothing changes) on August 17th (or something like that, might not be the exact correct date).

There is no automatic or "standard" points deduction in the SFL for going into administration (which incidentally they are not at this point technically in). Yes, Accies got a 15 point deduction for missing a fixture.

It's not one member one vote as I recall. I think First division clubs get more votes than second division clubs who get more than third division clubs (might be a 4:2:1 ratio if I recall correctly). I don't see this rule being changed to be honest.

Sorry, previous post crossed with this one. There's no question the HMRC have to be paid in full. They won't agree to a CVA. I'm not sure I'd be happy as an ordinary creditor to agree to one if WLC are getting paid in full though. I would be asking why they are entitled to a bigger share of the pot than me? If that's what's being implied anyway?

Are they? And this has been confirmed where? Not sure about the Revenue but the Council are owed £330,000 aren't they? Massone was suggested on this thread to be owed £500,000 a good few pages back. Was that wrong or is it only the two largest creditors outwith Massone that are to be paid in full? I thought the Council had intimated they'd be prepared to accept a lesser amount from a new owner anyway?

The largest creditor is apparently Massone. I presume you don't mean him? I presume you mean the two main external creditros who are presumably HMRC and WLC.

Given that she said just two days ago she'd get news out by texting CJ and Lyn-Marie I think she'll be happy enough. Away back to being xbl. This Vectron persona is crap. And Congratulations Reina

It's a seeded competition. Albion Rovers cannot possibly draw Alloa in the next round.

Indeed, though it's not as directly vested an interest. I'm not saying Airdrie shouldn't be in any meeting either, just that Cowdenbeath should be categorised with them one way or the other. I'm not sure the first division would prefer Airdrie United to a low budget Livingston with a points deduction anyway? They'd have less chance of avoiding relegation than Airdrie probably would.

It's five years I think. Gretna were never full members of the SFL, getting promoted out of it the summer that they were due to become full member. The ongoing meeting is with the League Management Committee is it not? It won't have 27 clubs represented (and if Airdrie weren't allowed to be involved neither would Cowdenbeath presumably). It'll be half a dozen people or so.

Congratulations.

It had absolutely nothing to do with playing in the UEFA Cup and we had it before we even started the Scottish Cup run that led to that. I think SPL clubs require to be licensed. SFL clubs are having the requirements phased in. Hence the stramash over Brechin's failure to have a wide enough pitch, etc. And yes, it's very thoroughly checked by the SFA.

Good luck Reina