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Same here. I wasn't sure, and the on screen graphic had Ferrer 1-0 up for about five seconds before they changed it.

He was available at 6/4 just before the end of the first set, and 4/1 match point down in the 12th game of the final set.

Murray looks even more finished, but at least he is 4-1 up. Shame they don't do five-set finals any more.

Don't like to see players getting massages when all that is wrong is a bit of fatigue.

Epic game that.

13 breaks from 24 games, both players have won less than 50% of the points on serve.

First one to hold serve probably wins.

Nine breaks of serve in the first twenty games, I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Ferrer looks to be tiring a little to me. Murray can tell I think, hence moving him side to side a bit more. Some weak Ferrer shots lately and a couple of pretty impatient ones too. 6-1 or 6-2 this set for Murray IMO, hope I'm not jinxing it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGswU90CYAAvX28.png That shows how passive Murray has been today.

Hope it's not another moment like the miss against Nadal at Wimbledon. Looking very frustrated.

About three really easy balls to put away. Hope that doesn't cost him.

Very true. He just seems content to rally down the middle of the court. Short slices are a great tactic against Ferrer whoever you are. Serving better would help too, 50% first serve percentage is lower than almost any match he has played this year or last.

A little soon to call the winner is it not? Djokovic's best level is better than Murray's; whatever may be going on in the mental side of the game.

Indeed. Tennis player in shock below par performance. Headline news. I don't think Ferrer is playing that fantastic to be fair, he has just been doing enough. If Murray can improve just a little, Ferrer will be forced into a few more errors and it could turn around completely. Murray needs to sort out his serve, get the percentage up and go from there.

Some wasteful challenges. Hope he doesn't get a shocking call if he comes back into the set. To be fair, if Murray had taken all of the game points he's had so far, he'd have won the set 6-1 everything else being equal. Ferrer played big points much better thus far.

I think everything has gone Ferrer's way so far, particularly several defensive shots from him landing on or very near Murray's baseline, but Murray seems nervous.

Murray doesn't look right to me here. Forehand is way off, he looks very frustrated and appears to be occasionally holding his left thigh as if there could be a slight injury. Serving for the match now, but can't see him going much further playing like this. Wasn't brilliant in the first two matches either. Will be interesting to see if he raises his level against better opposition.

We've had the Gulbis discussion before, but it just shows the respect some people have for him that he is about 7th or 8th favourite to win the Indian Wells Masters 1000 event this week now. A 6-2 6-0 win against Tipsarevic has to be respected, and it'll be interesting to see if he gets to go up against Nadal in a couple of rounds. Meanwhile Donskoy just played an inspired 12th game to take the first set sgainst Murray. Surely Murray won't have yet another post-Australian Open hangover? I doubt it but I certainly wouldn't have the house on Murray at short odds here.

Anything else isn't free money. If people post comments on forums, other people often choose to respond to those comments (novel idea I know). I don't even know how to respond to that bit as it seems like you don't know what you're talking about.

It's called arbing. I used to do this extensively a few years ago when bookmakers would let you win a few bets before limiting you.

No. Let's assume for a minute that Djokovic wins 2-0 against Murray (which is of course far from certain to happen). In that case, if Tsonga beats Berdych, then the Murray v Tsonga match is effectively a straight knockout match to see who makes the semi finals. The only way that a Murray win against Tsonga might not be enough is if Berdych beats both Tsonga and Djokovic. Djokovic, Murray and Berdych would then finish level on two wins, and it would come down to set percentage firstly, then game percentage and finally highest ATP ranking. Djokovic would go through as he'd have no worse than a 4-2 sets record. If Berdych beat both Djokovic and Tsonga 2-1, he would have a 5-4 set record, in which case Murray would qualify if he beat Tsonga 2-0. If Berdych were to win 2-0 against Djokovic or Tsonga, then Murray would be out regardless. There is a scenario in which Murray could lose to both Djokovic and Tsonga and still qualify for the semi finals. Djokovic would have to beat Berdych and Berdych would have to beat Tsonga as well, for Murray, Tsonga and Berdych to finish on one win each. If Murray's defeat against Djokovic was 2-0 as we're assuming, then if he lost 2-1 against Tsonga, Djokovic won 2-0 against Berdych and Berdych won 2-1 against Tsonga it would come down to game percentage as Murray, Berdych and Tsonga would all have a 3-5 set record. It can get complicated, but only if Berdych wins his final two matches. Even if he does, Murray can keep things in his hands going into the Tsonga match by taking at least a set against Djokovic.

You obviously haven't watched Berdych play over the years. He has been wildly inconsistent throughout his career. He has improved in that regard, but just looking at this year he has lost to players ranked 75, 87, 87 and 101. Also, Berdych had a winning 4-3 record against Murray before this week, largely because when he is on top form, he can and has overpowered Murray with his powerful serve and ground strokes. The French Open in 2010 being a prime example. Murray has greater consistency, better movement and better shot selection, but Berdych at his best would win against Murray the majority of the time. It is one of those match ups that isn't very favourable for Murray as the match is often not in his hands.

Some are also one-ball, where if the first point is played all bets stand. There used to be one very significant bookmaker that had a two-set rule, but they fell into line with the majority now who are one-set.

I don't know if this is just me or if it's the same for everyone else, but if I click on that link through this forum, it gives me an error message, but the same link is fine when I open it any other way. If you're saying I think the price should be 2.0, ie I think a team was 50% likely to win, and 2.3 odds were available, then I'd obviously just back it. Probably for a bit more than my average stake too as that's quite a large perceived edge. Using the backing and laying all outcomes with a profit margin built in, you'd probably end up laying the outsider and possibly the draw as well. If you're laying the other two outcomes as well like that, it's just like backing the third outcome anyway.