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22 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said:
Indeed and indeed.
All the best for next season my friend. Genuinely.
Thanks man. The fear I have for next season (and beyond) is genuine. Back to back relegations would not surprise me at all.
Yesterday was my first visit to Easter Road in I don’t know how long. The place has a mystique that is indescribable. Sitting there knowing that you’re yards away from where Jock Buchanan made history, Napoli getting destroyed 5-0, all that stuff.
There’s a giant there.
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46 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said:
Didnt the fans take their shoes off too? Im at the North end of the East but it looked like it?
Indeed they did. Apparently there’s a really deep meaning to it, something to do with Ken Bates’ time at Leeds - think our lads were just doing it for a laugh. They do it regularly though. Again, the stewards were doubled over at it. Must’ve been a different shift from the bile they dealt with last week.
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9 hours ago, Hoose Rice said:
Good luck on coming back up next season Livi.
Well played your support who chose to support the Lions instead of the glory hunting bigots that travel to Glasgow or watch them on the telly.
Gallows humour at its finest in the second half. All the hallmarks of a support who’ve watched turgid pish for however long, culminating in the fantastic “let’s pretend we scored a goal”. Stewards were pishing themselves.
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5 minutes ago, ATLIS said:
How long does he need to suffer for the crimes he's committed though? Clear to anyone, surely, that he's moved beyond it and changed his life.
Let’s be clear here, he isn’t suffering. He’s a wealthy man with many trappings of success and a happy family life. And he’s certainly not suffering because a guy who he’s never met doesn’t like his past and can’t/won’t see beyond it.
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4 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:
Whatever his reasons, he's still owned it, said he didn't think about how it affected his victims and their families, and made an apology for it. I don't think you should hold his past against him now, for a pile on weighing in on his poor managerial job this season, when he took responsibility for it and made good on being rehabilitated.
I disagree entirely and will leave it at that, if that’s ok with you.
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7 minutes ago, Livi said:
When all this breaks (which it will) we will see if people like him hang around and continue to have a go at the paying fans.
He will hang around, and he’d be within his rights to have a go at people, whether he is right or wrong. He loves the club and hates it being denigrated by opposing fans or our own. He backed Massone quite publicly back in the day, and was ridiculed, but is still there now. I think he’s wrong to have a go at fans (paying or not), but I respect his right to have a go.
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47 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:
He never made excuses about that though, and has done a few interviews saying he wasn't caught up in a bad crowd, he was the bad crowd. Haven't seen any interview when he made any excuses about it, or blamed someone else for being arrested and going to jail. Also made apologies to victims and their families for his drug dealing, and the consequences it had.
On his management though, i've tried hanging in there backing him for all he's done for the club, and the successful seasons we've had getting promoted, and staying up 6 seasons, even this season, as relegation was inevitable for us at some point, but i have been annoyed on more than a few occasions by his team selection, and player positioning, and stubbornness to stick with it far too long. It has def cost us this season.
We've a big job ahead assembling a team for the Championship next season, people will lose their jobs as finances will be smaller, and players wont want to stick around taking a wage cut, he's done wonders before on that score though, so would be happy if he took up the DoF job, but i really don't think he can do the job we need as our manager.
I never once said that he’d made excuses for his crimes, but seeing as you’ve framed it that way, I’ve read numerous articles where it’s said that he turned to a life of crime to make up for losses he suffered when a boozer that he ran was burnt down and uninsured. So he blamed circumstance there.
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I don’t normally read too much into post match interviews, from any manager. They’re usually full of cliches like “go again next week” or some other guff. Over the couple of post match interviews I’ve seen this evening though, Martindale has said that he’s taking responsibility, whilst at the same time blaming “individual errors”.
I’ve deliberately kept my thoughts on him to myself since he came into the club. I didn’t go over the top with praise for him when we were in the top 6, whilst at the same time admitting that getting us there was an incredible feat. I’ll admit that for me, it’s a personal thing. I don’t like his character, his (alleged) man management methods I can’t stand, and his criminal past repulses me. He didn’t make mistakes - his crimes were deliberate and calculated. I’m aware that I might sound petty or narrow minded in that view but frankly, after today, I don’t give a shit.
That he is still in post is a joke. I know why though - it’s because he’s in control of the lot. Only thing is, he’s in control of something that is wildly out of control.2 -
A first half horror show the likes of which I haven’t seen from Livi in god knows how long. We’re going to be doing well to get another point this season, never mind a win.
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Both rotten.
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13 hours ago, tinkerbelle said:
Might as well be a lawyer if he spent most of his life in chambers.
You would bring the house down at many a Faculty dinner dance with that one. Bravo.
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2 hours ago, Livi said:
If this was the top clubs in Scotland it would be all over the sports media.
Not that long ago you had BBC Sportsound hinting of troubles like the knew what it was but no really wanting to report on it .
Still intrigued though why the 2 want to hang onto something thats losing money now and if the club goes down it will become more acute given the prize money on offer in the championship.It's not the top clubs though, is it. If my granny had baws etc. There are a few mainstream journalists (Tom English on Sportsound, Stephen McGowan at the Daily Heil) who have made mention of our troubles, but those mentions have either been sensationalist comments or regurgitation of what is already out there. McGowan took the statement from the club following Rankine's court appearance, added a couple of forthcoming court dates, threw in no quotes from anyone and put out a piece which went over two pages.
I'm definitely with you though in wondering what the end games is for Hogarth/Rankine.
1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:Even 20 years ago the media had no interest in doing actual journalism. See the "Gretna fairytale" as a prime example.
Some of them seemed genuinely shocked when they went bust.
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30 minutes ago, Livi said:
If Ward and Martindale don't have any real money invested in Livingston FC then it begs the question why they are doing everything possible to hold onto a club thats running at a loss?
Why is the press not asking the hard questions around ownership of the club?
Depends who you mean by the press I suppose. If you mean the written press, our local paper is in its final throes, the national dailys are the same (and constantly in thrall to bigger clubs). Social outlets like PLZ and that kind of guff are not interested in behind the scenes intricacies.
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18 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said:
Read an article about Fitzwater, and him suffering from a stomach/bowel problem that last season, going onto when he moved down South, and being diagnosed down there, which would explain how his form must've been affected. He was going to the toilet about 30 times a day and felt embarrassed, so tried hiding it.
Had a quick google check, here it is, Colitis. Jack Fitzwater on colitis diagnosis: 'I was embarrassed going to the toilet 30 times a day' - BBC Sport
Must've been energy sapping as well as a mental strain on him.
10 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:Wow. That explains a whole lot. That condition has a gradul onset where the sufferer keeps adapting to their worsening symptoms and therefore can be unaware how bad things are getting. Especially if someone is distracted by the constant routine of professional football. I can see why diagnosis came so late for him.
That completely reframes his latter time at Livi.
I read about this a few weeks ago. It's a subject close to my heart as I suffer from Crohns, and have done since I was 7.
Wonderful advances in medicine mean that invasive surgery isn't the go to treatment option any more (too late for me sadly), but there isn't a bona fide cure for either Colitis or Crohns, nor do they know for definite how people come to suffer from it.
Knowing how the disease has impacted on my life means that I can categorically say that, for me, Jack Fitzwater is a genuine Livi Legend. He's been through hell.
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20 minutes ago, Livi said:
I don't see the glaring error.
Really? You don’t see the glaring error in
4 hours ago, Livi said:It wasn't Hogarth's fault that the club didn't put a coherent case together. That was under the watch of Ward and Martindale.
That?
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41 minutes ago, Livi said:
Ffs - nit picking. Having a lawyer means they give you advice. Based on what you ask and tell them. I wonder what the club lawyer was asked and told.
It’s a little bit more than just giving advice. Especially when it comes to evidential proofs. It’s about building and presenting a case with the intention of winning, no matter the standard of evidence you’re given by your client. It was built and presented shambolically, and that is NOTHING to do with LFC. That’s not nitpicking, itself pointing out a glaring error made on your part.
Leaving all that aside, and this is purely my opinion - LFC could have won their case, if they had different legal representation.
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Just now, Livi said:
Come on - read the judgement it was clear the club management were changing the position throughout the case.
i accept the legal team should have considered withdrawing (or whatever the legal term is) from the case earlier.
I did read the judgement. The case was flawed for many reasons. It was you though who said that the club didnt put a coherent case together. I’m merely pointing out your mistake there.
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2 hours ago, Livi said:
It wasn't Hogarth's fault that the club didn't put a coherent case together. That was under the watch of Ward and Martindale.
It’s not Livingston’s fault either. It’s the job of their legal representatives to build a case, no one else.
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On 05/03/2024 at 12:40, ArabGaz said:
Yeah, agree with this. Keane offers zero tactical input and says ‘sloppy’ a bit too much. He can be amusing when he goes off on one but he’s only there for potential click bait afterwards.
This could be said of any pundit/presenter/commentator nowadays. I remember reading of a BBC MOTD production meeting held on a Monday morning following a weekend full of goals, incident etc. Despite the ratings being good, the bosses were raging that their social media interactions were lower than the week before.
It's like Peter Drury - folk (not me) love his "ROMA HAVE RISEN FROM THEIR RUINS" schtick when they watch the goal on Twitter. Listen to it for a full game approaching two hours? f**k no.
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2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:
Miss a pen., take the lead, hold it for only 6 minutes, concede another last minute goal to lose - usual shite.
Manchester United and Liverpool next, null point there.
I wouldn’t be so sure.
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3 hours ago, Raidernation said:
That might be points for me!
As always thoughts and prayers
60 points for someone that age is helluva good scoring chief
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18 hours ago, Bairnardo said:
Your hedge fund owners, your oligarchs, they just don't know the clubs. If you have your Keyses, your O'Haras, all saying on repeat "Get JT and Lamps in that dressing room", then you listen or suffer the consequences.
A long serving player synonymous with the club should be the first/only criteria for managing in the #Barclays. Ideally, the individual should also have experience of playing in "the greatest league in the world" as well.
Liverpool - Stevie G. Manchester United - Eric Cantona. Spurs - Gary Mabbutt.
Praying for Southampton to get promoted so that Le Tiss has to take the hot seat.
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3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:
I take sickies so I dont have to go into work.
Except I still pretend to go into work but then go on a solo jolly to the seaside or a drive up the hills.
David Gilroy posting from the jail IMHO.
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3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
I'm sorry Motherwell.... But I just can't look at you at the moment x
It’s not that they lost, it’s the way they did it.
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Livingston - all the threads merged
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All of the shouts I heard yesterday were against the manager. I don’t recall too many, if any, individual things aimed at players.
The stuff aimed at the manager was pretty brutal. It’s subjective as to whether it’s over the top or not. It’s not stuff I would say, but I don’t have fire in me to get that het up about it.
If Hastie thinks it is out of order then fair enough. That’s his opinion. Where he is wrong is when he says that fans shouldn’t question losses. That’s wilder than the Serengeti.