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4 hours ago, Peter Culter said:
From the many supporters I’ve spoken to the feeling I get seems to be the same as mine.
His saving grace seems to be that certain individuals will still applaud and hug him as though he is “The Messiah” no matter how bad it is and can’t see the wood for the trees.
Although those people did the same under Gormley.
What individuals?
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4 hours ago, funky monkey said:
Buffs home support is well down. The away support holds up well in terms of our peers in the league.
The away support is still good. Compared to a few years ago, Kilwinning, Kilbirnie and Meadow being replaced by Gartcairn, Drumchapel and St Cadocs in the top flight is a bit of a hit to the match day incomes of some clubs. There must have been about 150-odd Kilwinning supporters at Hurlford at the tail end of last season for example, now replaced by approximately zero.
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What is the away allocation?
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2 hours ago, kingjoey said:
Brendan Rodgers is putting me in real quandary here. His "we'll have some fun" and "this is the best version of Celtic in my time here" is so unnecessary and antagonist, that I want him to fall flat on his face. But that means Rangers have to win.
We can't have that sorry. Nothing is worth Rangers winning.
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On 06/05/2024 at 11:39, southerner said:
Wardrope singing a new deal an excellent piece of business by the club. Big part of the plans for next season.
What are his attributes? I wasn't convinced by him when he was at Kilwinning and then he bounced about quite a few other clubs but he seems to have found a good level of consistency at Talbot.
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Kilwinning are a yo-yo club and Kilbirnie haven't won a top flight league or Scottish JC for 47 years!
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The problem with recruitment at this level is that the manager is often part of the appeal to players, given that wages will be relatively small and clubs like ours will be outbid by the tier 6 clubs and the Drumchapel/Johnstone new money clubs.
I don't see any evidence of Aitken being the reason that players want to sign. It actually almost feels like we are shopping in the bargain basement for players that no other club wants. I want him to succeed as he seems a nice guy and clearly cares very much about the club and is aware of the responsibility he has. I'm just not seeing any improvement at all and I'm not sure how we get the players in who will make a difference.
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How long did he sign a contract for?
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4 hours ago, Casey Jones said:
How many people think 4 English Teams getting straight into the Champions League groups is wrong, when the Scottish Premier League Champions have to go through 1-3 qualifying matches, before they can get a place in group stages (excluding last 3 seasons)?
Very very few!
Perhaps supporters in the West should be more annoyed that Beith, who look like they will win the West Premier League for 2 year running, will not be given opportunity to progress to Lowland League as they don't have license? If they had, they may have got a promotion last/this year to the Lowland League, giving the licensed teams a better chance of winning league?
Again, teams in the West knew the rules before before they switched from the Juniors and also because of their own egos, waited longer in the transfer from Juniors than East Region teams? Most teams at the top of East Region embraced the changes required. Why were some teams in the West not so keen to progess to getting a license?
I don't think that's completely fair. The WOSFL was formed only a year or two after Linlithgow, Dalkeith, Boness etc applied for the EOS League. It's not as if the bigger East clubs were playing in the pyramid for decades beforehand. And some of the West Lothian clubs remained Junior for a period afterwards.
The later transition to the pyramid was nothing to do with egos. Some clubs didn't want to move over in the first place (which is fine) and others were told by the SJFA that the cost of joining would be eye-watering.
What we have though is a situation where there are plenty of clubs in the WOSFL which could hold their own at a higher level but are being prevented from doing so due to the limited promotion opportunities. That's what needs to change. Passage up and down the lower leagues should be much more fluid than it is just now.
In time this will change, as community clubs are promoted and the vanity projects go bust and the balance of power in the Lowland League shifts from self-protectionism. Until then, let's just enjoy the best teams in the West all playing each other every season until one of them makes the inevitable leap upwards.
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1 hour ago, jimbaxters said:
Every league in the world fixtures dates for knockout cup competitions.
Voluntary ones run by a separate organisation?
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16 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
How can a non-SJFA club propose an SJFA rule change?
Via the WOSFL - by proposing not allocating Saturdays throughout the season for the junior cup. Prioritise the league and the compulsory cups and let the SJFA have the headache of working out when to accommodate their optional competition. That way they can make early plans as to when to have their two-legged semis which causes minimum disruption.
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1 hour ago, BANKIEBILL said:
Well I'd hope that someone running for League President and looking to represent all clubs wouldn't be going around telling porkies ... or indeed slagging off member clubs on forums.
He slagged off the entire WOS league on Facebook!
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1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said:
For the sake of the return to two-legged semis there's been 8 Premier games played on a Saturday. Teams left idle, games squeezed into midweek.
All so that the SJFA could take the bulk of the gate money and pay it back as prize money. I still find it surprising they were able to get away it when every other cup competition is cutting out replays and even extra-time in a lot of cases.
They get away with it because clearly clubs are happy with the arrangement. I haven't heard or seen any representations to change anything from those WOS clubs who don't participate in the JC.
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1 hour ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Semis of SJC; Talbot v Darvel and JB v Lie.
Semis of WOSFL cup; Talbot v Pollok and Darvel v SBA.
From a purely footballing viewpoint why was there a thread for the SJC and none for the WOSFL.
Surely just because @jimbaxters mistakenly posted it in the WOS forum instead of the Junior one, bless him
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6 minutes ago, funky monkey said:
He almost seems to be hinting at unrest in the changing room, players not wanting to be there. I'd say that's all in him if that's the case. He just didn't refresh the squad following relegation.
I thought so too, mind you it's the stage of the season where players are being approached by other clubs now that certain clubs are confirmed in a certain division. I thought it was strange that he mentioned 6 or 7, not sure how that's meant to make the rest of them feel with 3 matches left, albeit there's nothing much left to play for.
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I wonder who the 6/7 players the manager referred to in his post-match interview as having conversations with are.
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2 hours ago, Black Pennel said:
Fae a Buffs fan ?
Either very young, or has a very selective memory.
It was a quarter of a century ago in fairness.
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2 hours ago, Shanner said:
Sounds like you're having a pop at a progressive and ambitious club who are just trying to do their best there or are Gartcairn now part of the Junior Illuminati as well?
Fans at this level (especially those from Talbot by the way) are notorious for being critical of artificially funded clubs but Gartcairn seem to escape most of the attention. Compare the jibes directed towards Johnstone Burgh and Darvel (and previously Irvine Meadow, Hurlford, Kilwinning, Bathgate etc) to the relative silence towards Gartcairn. At least it was mostly clear who was funding those clubs whereas all we've been told about Gartcairn is that the funders are a bunch of like-minded businessman in some sort of jolly business venture, investing in a club with no fans, while Airdrie and multiple other pre-existing clubs are a short distance away, all of whom would have welcomed the cash injection.
They are warping the financial landscape at this level just as much as those other clubs but there is a curious lack of conversation here about it. Maybe the source of the finances is legitimate but it rings alarm bells for me.
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32 minutes ago, andy25 said:
Shotts getting promoted twice?
Ha, good point. I meant Johnstone Burgh for the third spot - I don't think they are out of the race yet.
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I'm going to go for Drumchapel, Shotts and either Blantyre, Rutherglen or Shotts for the third place.
Unfortunately with Beith looking like they are winning the Premier then we won't have a fourth team promoted.
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10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
There seems to be an attempt to make it optional within the WoSFL constitution.
That doesn't mean that the Lowland, EoSFL, or SoSFL would accept the situation. Which brings you to the typical impasse seen when the PWG was a thing.
The impasse was partially down to the Junior representatives at the meetings giving false information to the rest of the group. I remember the former Kilwinning Rangers chairman saying that their representative at the PWG announced that no West Junior clubs were interested in the pyramid, which was a surprise to him as Kilwinning and others had been working for some time towards a new league structure.
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3 hours ago, funky monkey said:
AWR and the Medda.
True - four North Ayrshire teams next season. I don't mind playing some of the Glasgow/Lanarkshire teams but the crowds do suffer from a lack of a local rivalry.
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On a brighter note, at least we will have another local derby next season with Ardrossan being promoted.
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We tried to play the same way as we did last week (to great effect) and knock the ball about but that early goal came from nowhere and rattled us for a good 10-15 mins.
Rutherglen are a strong physical side and they completely outmuscled us all over the park and defended very well. We didn't really get any clear opportunities at all and were relying on a second ball in the box. Unfortunately I'm not sure we win any second balls all match.
I can't really fault the effort - but the quality just isn't there.
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Kilwinning Rangers 24/25
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It's becoming increasingly difficult to succeed at this level. The game has changed a lot in the last few years. Looking at the Premier League, we can't compete financially with the newer clubs (Gartcairn, Drumchapel, St Cadocs) and we don't have the fanbase of Pollok, Auchinleck or Clydebank (we should given the size of the town). Add to that the money that Johnstone Burgh, Darvel (for now) and potentially now Cumnock are deploying and already you are doing well to finish in the top 10. It makes Beith's achievements all the more remarkable. I can see Hurlford and Troon begin to struggle next season. And John McKeown has done well getting Shotts up, but may find an uneven playing field when he gets there.
Obviously clubs receiving financial backing and skewing the financial landscape isn't an alien concept to this level of football, but normally it's one club at a time and for a limited time. It now seems to be the new norm.