Tibbermoresaint
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1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:
Scotland has no debt and can walk away from uk debt?
BollocksHow much is our debt?
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Just now, Malky3 said:
You're making up rules now. If I mention Scotlands higher tax rate that has predictably yeilded less tax revenue than forecast will you demand that I disclose my income?
Where were you educated?
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7 minutes ago, renton said:
You loan them the land (at an eye watering rate) I guess that get's you round the third country stipulations in the non proliferation treaty. it's not about having control of the system, and in any event as a second strike weapon it's not like the UK has any active control really, it's there to be there, not to be used. If it ever get's used it's because the UK Government is gone anyway! For me it's about using the leverage it affords us to get a very good deal in terms of other assets and liabilities from the rUK at the point of independence. The UK needs Trident, but they'll lose it in an instant if we tell them to sling their hook on day one.
I also see the point that it leaves us a target in the short to medium term. You obviously want it out as quickly as possible but I don't see why we can't be neighbourly and also screw the UK to the tune of billions a year in basing rights and a reduced share of liabilities at the point of independence.
You're fundamentally missing the point. The UK won't base its subs in Faslane post-independence. They'll be based in Kings Bay, Georgia in the short-term and then moved to a new base in the rUK.
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Just now, renton said:
I wouldn't - the infrastructure isn't something that can be replicated in a hurry, and they can't just tie 'em up pier side at Brighton. You could negotiate just about any terms you wanted to let them keep Faslane for 5 years.
The UK's Strategic Nuclear Deterrent being based outwith the UK is a complete non-starter.
Besides, why would we want it? We'd have no control over it and it would simply make us a target. No thanks.
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13 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said:
I would not be at all surprised if keeping subs in Faslane for a while became part of any deal/arrangement post Indy.I would be very surprised if this happened.
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1 minute ago, Malky3 said:
It's none of his business, or yours. I am Scottish though and I live in Scotland.
If you make comments about other people's education it's perfectly legitimate to ask you about yours. Where were you educated?
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3 minutes ago, Malky3 said:
Let me guess. You were educated in Scotland, weren't you?
Why not answer his question?
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4 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:
I think they will bite our hand off for that option, and pray it will come to pass.
We'll see. I get the feeling that the mood music in the EU27 is turning more towards an irritability at being held to ransom and a desire to get to a conclusion and to get on with their lives.
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4 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:
See edit to my previous post.
I think they'd be looking for something more concrete than "could very well lead to" a vote of no confidence.
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4 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:
I suspect both sides will be pleased to find any excuse to further extend.
To what end?
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1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said:
Didn't the EU grant us that extension until Oct 31?
Yes, with fairly heavy hints it would be the last one.
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21 minutes ago, sureiknow said:
Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
When the UK leaves N.I. leaves too.
Or are SFIRA doing their usual threats of do what we want or our Military Wing might return to violence.
Northern Ireland voted to remain.
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1 minute ago, Detournement said:
The data was obtained legally because Facebook users agreed to give it away to anyone in the world when they joined up.
This is not an indicator of legality.
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1 hour ago, Crroma said:
Lol at people reading books in 2019, go play a videogame or something grandad
Do you feel threatened?
20 minutes ago, Serious Business said:Like the Roman: The Life of Enoch Powell - Simon Heffer
An outstanding and intimate look at the life of one of the great scholars, linguists, orators and ultimately patriots of the last century.
"Too often today people are ready to tell us: ‘This is not possible, that is not possible.’ I say: whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible. We have nothing to fear but our own doubts."
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1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:Like apostrophes?
Like education
I doubt your lack of education is her fault.
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6 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:
Shes asked to be judged on things shes not delivered.
Like apostrophes?
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1 minute ago, lichtgilphead said:
And as Scotland will be part of the EU by that time (even on pessamistic estimates), rUK would have to trade with us on the same basis as with the rest of the EU.
Is DAFC seriously suggesting that rUK will refuse to trade with the EU?
And as EU members we'll have a very big say in the terms of any EU-RUK trade agreement.
1 minute ago, Donathan said:If Brexit has taught us anything it's that the Tory government have little regard for simple economics.
True.
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5 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:
It’s our biggest trading partner. Conversely I could say let’s have some ambition and open trade deals with China, India and America. Which is what Brexit could bring.
I can’t see any way we would be allowed to leave the UK and join the EU and not be worse off for at least a few years. Shutting off trade links with the UK is completely stupid.
Shutting off trade links with the UK
Why would the rUK do anything to jeopardise trade with its second-largest export market?
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2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:
And block off trading with our biggest trading partner and only land border?
Smart thinking m9
Block off trading?
The rUK is a minnow in global terms. Have some ambition.
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1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:
With our biggest trading partner aye?
With the biggest economic bloc on the planet. And with all with whom it has trade agreements.
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1 minute ago, Malky3 said:
I did. I also looked at Unemployment figures. I don't think there is much about Ireland that I'd want Scotland to copy.
So how does Ireland's GDP per capita compare to ours?
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1 minute ago, Malky3 said:
Rubbish!
Their economies, which tanked after the banking crisis, are now growing at a quicker rate but that doesn't mean they are doing better than the UK - which is still the worlds fifth richest economy.
Have a quick peek at GDP per capita figures.
1 minute ago, Malky3 said:I'm responding to another poster. I know the Scottish Education system left you disadvantaged somewhat, but please try to keep up.
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18 minutes ago, Malky3 said:
I don't agree with today's Bin Men and Dinner Ladies funding tomorrows bankers and doctors. To me that isn't common sense. I actually think that the English system, which is essentially a graduate tax makes far more sense. The Scottish system means that we have to educate other Europeans who will never contribute to the Scottish tax take for free. It's actually a crazy idea.
There's also no such thing as free prescriptions. They all have to be paid for even if it is indirectly through taxation. The money that the SNP put into this scheme which granted free prescriptions to the middle and upper classes - those on benefits were enjoying not paying for their prescriptions long before the SNP came into office - has diverted funds out of patient care and our of the NHS.
Neither of those moves were common sense. They were a shameless attempt to buy middle class votes.
I can't argue with you regarding public sector redundancies cause I know nothing about them either North or South of the border.
I'd argue that successive UK Governments have also viewed immigration as a good thing. It's the respective electorates who aren't so enlightened and I can tell you now the population of Scotland is no more open armed to "settlers" then those of our counterparts across the rest of the UK.
And violent crime should always be dealt with as a criminal problem. I know the SNP are soft on crime but I don't think even they would treat a mass murderer to private healthcare rather than a prison sentence.
None of this has anything to do with Independence.
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