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well the thing that would make me skeptical about that claim would be that surely logically the amount of police required would be proportionate to the level of crowd. so surely there would be a guarunteed profit percentage regardless of how big or small the away crowd would be. as for your second point. it would be great if there was enough information in circulation for us to be able to build a picture of how much revenue is in circulation in scottish football and from what origin such revenue streams come from. it does seem that in the absense of such information it is very hard to come by quantifiable estimates with some evidence behind it, and the best we can do when we discuss any scenario, is to advance competing claims of conjecture...

it would be a good populist move to get the fans behind a bid if souness involved in a consortium. ironic a bit since it was his buying of boumsong that kicked off the hmrc investigation... did he not have shares in rangers back in the day??

its been oft repeated that OF crowds are getting that meaningless for diddy teams that the cost of the extra policing is equivalent to the revenue brought in. dont know how true that is, and if there is any basis to that claim, someone please post it ..

haha, well ive just had a few beers tonight...

hey im not denying that the most lucrative league in the world is going to have some serious disparity vis a vis the rest of english football. all im saying is that in england there is at least the environment for supporters to have some agency to deal with a bad hand being dealt to them. This thread is as good as it gets for us this side of the border.

it would involve doing sums, something that counts me out (see what i did there), but ive noticed on these stats that there is also the countries population with the average attendance vis a vis ours with non of average attendance. it would be interesting if someone could do the calculation to see per capita stats and see where scotland is situated against these other nations in ranking in terms of percapita figures

this is my ideal scenario: they go bust and for whatever reason cant go back into the spl. they make application to sfl as new co to get into div three they do not get allowed in on basis of being a new company and not having three years of account (THE RETURN OF THE BLAZERS!!!!) they make application to join juniors. they spend the next 10 years or so fighting it out with third lanark, clydebank, spartans, and other ambitious outfits to get into senior football they loose.

totally, at risk of being cliched and using football metaphors to describe the current situation, its like as if there is an open goal opportunity in the last minute to win the proverbial cup, but the player - who is not accustomed to being at the pivotal moment in a cup final - is himming and hawing about what to do. will he scuff it, will he wait too long, or will he just tap it in. i think the drive and passion is retrievable, the fact that the latter half of this semester has been fucked for me on account of this thread instead of studying shows how much latent passion is still in there for me haha

what this situation has also exposed is 1) the lack of easily retrievable information that would be relevent to any debate (in this case crowd figure stats) 2) the lack of a vehical for fans to articulate their collective interests - we do not have a scottish ecquivalent of the football supporters federation the consequence of both is that the best we can hope for is an epic thread whilst we collectivly go through the rollercoaster of chance hoping that rangers get proper fucked but realising that we have no power to influence the outcome one way or another...

haha I have only been to see my team maybe 3 or 4 times in the past 2 seasons. Before that i was a regular goer who got involved in all sorts of fan sorta stuff. I also did a lot of stuff with my team as a community worker that got us exposed to people that had never heard of ptfc. One of the particularly noteworthy thing i learned during that time was that there were not only young people from a BME background who had never heard of ptfc which you might expect, but that white working class young people from the southside of glasgow had never heard of partick thistle... anyways going on a tangent but suffice to say i had a fair bit of energies around being a fan... however, it was the proximity to my club, but more the greater realisation of the shitness of scottish football that made me throw the towel in in terms of the emotional involvement i put into that stuff. which led to where i am at now. it would take a pretty monumentus change to get me back on board, and i can only speak for myself, i dont know what motivates other ex die hards, but for me personally if rangers were to be severly weakened preferably destroed allowing the potential for a redrawing of the power differentials, then im in.. Going down to see fcum and afc wimbledon has shown me, whaht is possible if you get fans on board, but unfortunately something like that can only really thrive in a better environement as it is in england. Maybe just maybe we have the opportunity to change the environment here, but equally also and probably more likely if rangers get in scot free then things are well and truly fucked and there is no way back..

this is an interesting discussion btw re what the actual figures are regarding attendance with or without the old firm vis a vis a number of nations. without going into the dangerous territory of making a call to action on behalf of diddy team fans, i do think it would be good if all the facts regarding the above matter and other relevent matters were situated in a website where they could be easily retrieved - so as to get the word around as it were.

HJ - I think there will be some people who were once committed football fans in terms of going to the matches regularly but gave up because of general apathy towards scottish football may return if there is seen to be some scope for reforming scottish football. an event like the OF duopoly being severly damaged might be enough for that to happen. nevertheless, i dont think people who are of that catogory are a huge amount of people.

the debating chamber section on rangers media is full of gem quotes like this - discussing that anders breivik dude lol

rangers media is working

wonder what will come first, them being liquidated or this thread reaching 1000 pages...?

wasnt it established after bates owned the jags and chelsea that one cannot own two football clubs?

not really a plan going together...

nearly 1.5 million views

i also think bill millar should wear a shirt and tie.

i would seriously consider going back to the football under those circumstances

maybe putting off the decision to see how many season tickets they can sell to gauge whether peeps are serious about not going back in the event of a newco?

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thanks for that post. good to see things from accross the pond perspective. remember going into an irish pub in new york with a couple of friends, and about an hour into us being there the pub filled up with ice hockey fans: the new york rangers. To see so many 'rangers' fans in what would be culturally here a 'celtic' pub was surreal haha

the best solution would be for fans to walk away from their corrupt clubs and start afc versions of them. and put applications into the northern regional leagues of the fa, and walk away from the provincial cesspit that is scottish football. its fcked from top to bottom

giving money to the juniors is still engaging with scottish football set up. what about instead we dissaffected football supporters start a football team based in scotland playing at the bottom of the english pyramid in the unibond north league or summit. we could call ourselves 'diddy utd'??