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The SFL might well 'cave' at the thought of not having the cash cow of Sevco not being provided with their license.
Good point. The question remains though: why are the SPL involved in the decision to grant an SFA license to an SFL team?
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honestly I donnt care any more about sevco, f.f.fs. they are doomed and it is boring the tits aff me
but clearly not enough to prevent you logging on, hitting this thread, and telling us how you feel about it
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Still confused why SPL is involved in SFA membership situation.
Indeed. Although we now know exactly what the SPL's game is, we're none the wiser as to why they get any say in the matter whatsoever. Really frustrating as an onlooker.
I presume there will be a bit of give and take here - as to reach this stage the SPL must be desperate. I wonder if the SPL are dangling any carrots in front of the SFL to make this happen (e.g., playoffs), or whether it's just threats of non payment of the settlement.
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See my reply to craigkillie.
Lawell should have not pandered to the mob and yes he probably has a case to answer for saying one thing and doing another .. but that's about it.
It's you right to be offended .. but so what , does it kill or injure you?
What is allowed in free speech is a whole other debate .. lets not get into that.
I am simply saying although I found it distasteful I don't think it is sufficient to warrant a ban despite Mr Lawell's comments. However personally I would like to see them banned as it's not the behaviour I want to see associated with Celtic fans .. that doesn't make me right either. Kind of a Catch 22 dilemma.
I don't think we really disagree on anything here. As I said, I found it distasteful (as you did), but I certainly wasn't offended.
My interpretation of your original post was that you thought this was a free speech issue, hence me getting into the details of it. It may be that I picked up your meaning incorrectly as the only point I was making was that Celtic were perfectly within their rights to choose to act against those responsible (or not) in whichever way they saw fit.
Whether Celtic follow through on their chosen course of action, and people's opinions on Celtic's handling of the affair are separate issues entirely.
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Has there been any word from Green this week? His meeting with UEFA seems to be taking a long, long time...
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Must have found then guilty, known expulsion was the only option
Nah, this is to do with title stripping, not expulsion.
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I served in the British Army (including NI tour) so I personally find the banner distasteful and repugnant. However I also find distasteful the sections of society who oppress free speech and seek to stifle other individuals from expressing their point of view. Yes it has no bearing on football .... but banned ?
In summary you are of the limited mindset which only allows others to express their views as long as it passes your censorship criteria.
I expect the usual bullshit replies to follow.
Edit: I suspect you are one of the 'professionally offended'.
Without wanting to take this too far off topic, I wanted to add that Freedom of Speech is often misunderstood as the right to say "what you want, when you want, where you want"; this isn't the case. Celtic are perfectly within their rights to prevent, condemn or take action against such sentiment from being displayed inside Celtic Park if they so choose - this is not equivalent to oppression of free speech.
Like you, I found it distasteful, but no more. As others have said, the word "banned" came from Lawell himself.
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Charlie Bhoy already signed the Rangers share over to Dundee whilst acting on behalf of Duff and Duffer at the meeting on Monday.
Ah, I was unaware of that! I wondered if they'd been issued one of the spares in the meantime. In that case, my theory is dead in the water (which is probably just as well, as it accounted to little more than blackmail!).
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As regards the second bulletpoint that would be a new gutter-trawl of SPL credibility: refusing to let Rangers go in an exercise to effectively hold SFA+SFL to ransom
?Well, I did say it was a stretch
Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but it is the only suggestion put forward so far that accounts for the SPL having any involvement in this whatsoever. I look forward to hearing alternatives 0 -
Well, we managed 300 @ Falkirk last season, don't imagine more - but it is 1st game EVER for Sevco at Ibrox and SevcoMedia are telling it will be a full house with everyone bringing Union Jacks to show us - hashtagloyal
Ah well - in that case you'll easily identify me as the guy waving a Saltire, about to get my head kicked in for being a "SNP loving jacobite sympathiser"
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I'm still trying to get my head around this latest SPL thing... there seem 3 aspects that defy expectation.
Firstly - what is it that SPL have to approve else the whole thing collapses?
I expected it'd just be a matter for SFA, OldCo + NewCo plus SFL agreeing with the embargo.
Secondly - why do SPL want more sanctions?
If they'd got their way and Rangers had gone straight into the First Division with a plan to bounce-back straight away, you doubt they'd have been gunning for more sanctions!!
Thirdly - on what grounds can SPL be demanding a share of TV rights?
Surely that's a matter for SFL itself.
I'm also baffled. I think the way to try and unravel this is not to think of it as the SPL wanting additional sporting sanctions against Rangers per say, rather they need additional income - undoubtedly coming from a cut of any TV deal that the SFL sign. I think this can only mean one of two things.
- There's something written into the settlement agreement with the SFL (or possibly a loophole) that gives the SPL some claim to this; however, I can't see why this would affect Rangers application directly.
- Or (and I'm stretching here - but this might be plausible) there's something in the regulations that does not allow a club to simultaneously hold a share in both the SPL and SFL. If Rangers SFA membership still officially holds an SPL share, the SPL would be required to agree early release of that share without Rangers serving the statutory 2 year notice period (In much the same way the SFL had to agree to let Dundee or Dunfermline resign from the SFL). Could it be this that they're holding over the newco's head? Dundee could be issued with one of the "spares", so in no way would this prevent the SPL from kicking off.
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Where is your £400 seat @ Ibroke Huist so we can point n laff
How am I going to distinguish you from all of the other people pointing and laughing?
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Honest? Are you gonna piss on wee EFFC? Watch oot
Yep, honest. Can't play until the SFA deem the club fit to receive a license. Needs to be sorted next week or it's bye bye D3.
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No, there's no match tomorrow - it got pulled earlier.
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The company has gone bust. The team have dropped three divisions, lost all their decent players, will have to go a full year without signing players and have more sanctions to come but, yeah, apart from that what did the Romans ever do for us?
A greenie for your level headed analysis over the past few pages.
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what a joke, imo the transfer ban should start immediately,not 1st sept,
I wonder what the legal view of this is after all, the CoS said the transfer ban was not in their[sfa] remit
cpuld this be the sfa in contempt of court?
Nope, it's no longer a punishment, it's a condition of membership. There's no legal hangups here whatsoever.
It's also not being imposed, Green was perfectly entitled to reject it and let the tribunal resit and likely suspend them for a year - this is by far the sensible option to take, if they can't bring in players in the next 40 days to tide them over for D3 and D2 then somebody's been doing their homework wrong.
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So are you gonna go to Ibrox game by game basis? ()presuming you get a licence which you will).
I've commented a few times that I don't know if I really accept Sevco as being Rangers. My views tend to change on a day to day basis, but my overriding feeling at the moment is that it's little more than a cynical commercial venture that will likely pander to the lowest common denominator of the support to keep the money rolling in.
I like to think I'm a pretty objective person - I don't often let emotion override the facts - and I'm not naive enough to think the argument that Rangers are dead has no merit. In the same way, I can see Sevco as having the right to claim itself as a "spiritual successor", which fans may quite legitimately choose to affiliate themselves with or not as the case may be. I won't criticise anyone for taking either option. In 50 years, people will see Sevco as Rangers in much the same way as Hibernian today are credited with the 1887 Scottish Cup, despite being disbanded and then reformed in the interim period.
My love for football is still strong though. I'll certainly continue going to matches (to contradict what I said above, I am really looking forward to watching the Queens Park games), but I'm going to take the opportunity to sample the atmosphere of some of my local clubs also. I'll need to feel my way into the season...
In short, I'll be going to watch the football as per usual... but possibly not always at Ibrox.
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Or, as those charming chaps from Vanguard Bears put it: http://www.vanguardb...eckons-you-no12
[warning, do not read during meals]
Christ, that's like a horrible b*****disation of a Mills and Boon novel.
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I'd be worried if a 'Rangers' fan who looks at it objectively - as you say, wherever Chas has gone MUST be more important than the philibusting talks at Hampden.
Do you agree?
Realisation kicked in for me several months ago! It started with the ridiculous agreement of an asset sale (purportedly of 1.5 million for Ibrox and MP + 3.5 million for D&P... er... TUPE'd contracts) before the results of the never-going-to-happen CVA were known. Why not perform a fire sale separately?
The final nail in the coffin for me was Green's first act of trying to get in season ticket money by promising fans a vote on the name of Murray park, when nothing could be less important. The BPH fiasco just gives more credence to my existing thoughts that something extremely dodgy is going on.
The fact that there's still uncertainty with just one week to go before the season kicks off is just another in a long list of screw ups by those in charge (of Sevco and the SFA).
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You might know better than I, but trying to work thru Blue Pitch, I was left with the impression that one of the names was Geneva based. Maybe I'm putting 2 and 2 together to come up with 6 but it leads me to think the UEFA thing was the cover story for meeting with this 'leading light' to discuss the way ahead now placed in the 3rd. Sound plausible? Seems a strange time otherwise to disappear off the radar (say seeking new investors) when your whole future in terms of a licence is at stake this week.
It seems entirely plausible. In fact the UEFA story seems the least likely explanation, given A) they've already said they want nothing to do with it, B) they have repeatedly said that they frown on clubs not paying football debts, and C) Green is running a 3rd division Scottish club with no european involvement for at least 4 years.
I'm sure the real story lies entirely behind the reason not to award the club an SFA license as yet. If we look at the possibilities in turn:
- It's to do with title stripping: this seems unlikely, as the SFA could do this whenever they like, irrespective of granting a license.
- It's to do with the transfer embargo: possible, but a one month reprieve seems long enough to sell the senior players on big wages and to buy in a set of players capable of winning division two. Unless, there's zero working capital.
- It's to do with BPH: If Green is the only person to know BPH's true identity, then it accounts for the fact he's not at the most important meeting the club are involved in. It's also ridiculous that this information hasn't been forthcoming before now, given that it is a prerequisite for membership. Is anybody keeping track to see if any other shareholders remain to emerge?
Of course, there was also that story about CW jetting out to Geneva on the same day, but given that there was no corroborating evidence, I'm pretty sure that was entirely BS.
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I wouldn't joke about that,it is very strange that he has gone very quiet at such an important time
I'm guessing it's one of 3 things:
- Desperately trying to convince the owners of Blue Pitch Holdings to come out of cover so he can get an SFA license.
- Desperately trying to cover up something to do with Blue Pitch Holdings so that 1) becomes possible.
- Desperately trying to find additional investors so he has working capital to pay wages and sign players before the transfer embargo kicks in.
Whatever he's away doing, it's being done in desperation.
Edit: to say, it's additionally strange that he's chosen now to go quiet as he needs the supporters' confidence in order to sell season tickets. Inducing panic isn't going to help him shift seats.
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Soz I kinda overlooked the he is there only to make money bit.And we differ on building a team as you said.
One thing is for sure if the embargo starts from September 1st ! there will be stupid O'clock headlines linking EPL,Championship,SPL & top European leagues players to Ibrox
.You know the media they just want your attention ! I can almost guarantee that !."Rangers in secret talks with Chris Boyd returning" and all that FFS.
I'm in agreement with some of your fans,they have a youth setup that can surely win promotion from Div 3.Aren't the youth at Murray Park the cherry picked stars of the future from other clubs as well as local ?Also the youth are not all 18 and under there are a few 19 and 20 year olds at least.
Yeah, the headlines will be absolutely mince and entirely unfounded as you say, but they'll sell papers to idiots and keep the Daily Record et al. circulation figures up for a few more weeks.
I'm not entirely sure who remains from the old youth squad, but I'm not convinced in the slightest that they would walk D3 without adding a few signings (especially as I think any remaining senior players now need to be sold ASAP to get their wages off the books).
It's been a few years since I regularly attended QP games, but I'm assuming that not much has changed: the league is full of very experienced pros and hard hitters. I don't want to say that the kids would get kicked all over the park, but they're certainly not going to find it easy.
As somebody else said recently, every game will be like a cup game - there's a scalp to be had!
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Second bit ! Hmmm ? If your going to build a team from scratch your best bet is to have a team to gel over a few years for team spirit and moral IMO instead of disrupting the team every year replacing the entire team for each division.
Green is under real pressure from your fans to sign up what they would deem as quality players as is the Rangers tradition,anything less and they will boycott Ibrox in all probability !.So how much has Green got to invest upfront now ? or is he working on projected capital on attendances at Ibrox only ? these two need to be answered so you know what to expect on the park this coming season me thinks.
We'll need to agree to disagree here. If we take Green at face value (it may be a stretch to do so), then his objective is to make money, and do it as quickly as possible. The best route to doing this (and possibly the only viable route) is to get the club to the SPL as soon as possible but with minimal outlay. There are a few reasons for this, namely 1) there's going to be a fan exodus next season anyway - he must be aware of this and buying in all the "quality" players he can isn't going to change this, 2) some "fans" will inevitably return as soon as the games against Celtic appear, and 3) it's undoubtedly better financially to try to build a team while spending three years 2nd bottom of the SPL than it is to do so on the way up.
Anyway, assuming Sevco doesn't go into administration in the next 6 months, time will tell!
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Possibly play for the newco with a slightly better wage or sign to a club that will want you for years to come ? no brainer if your in the lower leagues me thinks.
I think they will struggle to sign any sort of quality players with the dark cloud still hanging over the newco IMO.
I'm not so sure about the first part; a one or two season contract with plenty of TV exposure that you wouldn't otherwise get could be quite attractive.
Assuming the transfer embargo stands, the club should, at best, be trying to sign players who can secure D2 promotion. Bringing in anyone better than that is just pissing money away (that probably isn't there in the first place...)
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.You know the media they just want your attention ! I can almost guarantee that !.
Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
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Some follow up to last night's discussion on this thread...