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We’re getting pumped by Partick Thistle in the playoffs I reckon
Crawford > the Smiths
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Obviously Rooney would be great, but I'd take Beneghan — the name below him on the released list — too
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31 minutes ago, mizfit said:
Nachos and Lukewarm Bud available at the Muirton.
To be fair, even if all the food trucks served was nachos and bud light I’d be right on board with these chaps if they spent money setting up a fanzone outside the main stand to turn on for the bigger games
Imagine how great that could have been on the big euro nights.
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Funny sentence in this Daily Record write-up of our new owners. Think they might have forgotten there's another Dundee club. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/st-johnstone-takeover-agreed-american-32712833
Just along the road from Saints in Dundee, Mark Ogren's ownership of Dundee United has seen the Tangerines relegated to the Championship. They;ve finally bounced back up after winning the title under Jim Goodwin, although must wait and see if the Perth club avoid the relegation playoff spot before they can take them on in an all-American Tayside derby next season.
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All hail our new overlords.
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12 minutes ago, The Marly said:
Some brilliant trolling in the Banter page. Someone has posted what is clearly a Football Manager screenshot of Levein being replaced by Wayne Rooney
The Enckelman slander on there has pissed me right off.
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Mitov (and Sinclair) ... Robinson ... McGowan ... Wright ... Smith (just) ... Franczak ... Sprangler ... Carey ... Sidibeh ... Kimpioka
I'd keep Phillips too but seems pointless to even suggest he might stay
Sign some defenders who can actually play in a back 4, some non-gutless CMs and find a manager not scared of his own shadow — and we could have a core of players that could probably finish about 8th.
Mitov
New RB (new RB) ... New CB (McGowan) ... New CB (Robinson) ... New LB (Robinson)
Sprangler (McGowan)
New CM (Smith) ... New CM (New CM/Franczak)
Wright (Carey) Carey (new winger)
Sidibeh (Kimpioka/Clark)
Sadly given what we're currently lumbered with and the difficulty of recruiting an entirely new defense, Levein or Kirk will struggle through with another season of a stinking back 5. The entire purpose of which seems to be to try and offer protection to CBs who aren't good enough for the top flight.
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Nice work to get some momentum going, @HibsFan @VincentGuerin and all. I've sent just a couple of pars to Saints making clear I think it should be scrapped, not tweaked, and saying they will lose my money if they continue to back VAR. Took about 10 mins max.
I've long wondered about the viability of doing a proper, representative poll of Scottish top-flight season ticket holders. Having some data to point at would be very useful I think — I suspect most would say it isn't working, and maybe at this stage you could just about get, say, a narrow plurality who think it should be scrapped altogether (though I might be being pessimistic: maybe 80% want it scrapped! If that was the case finding out might force some hands ..) If you asked whether fans would consider binning their season tickets if VAR continued, that would be a good way of making the point about lost income to clubs ... especially as I imagine no one is giving up their season ticket if VAR got scrapped.
The problem is, polls are expensive. A poll of season ticket holders would be especially expensive to organize since there representatively aren't that many in Scotland. But polling companies often do freebies for media outlets for the sake of the free publicity ... so if any pollsters are reading, a Scotland only, season ticket only poll would make you a national topic of conversation for weeks. I imagine those at the top of the game in Scotland reckon our opinions will roughly line up with those of the weirdo English premier league fans — YouGov found in October that only 16% of them would scrap it. I think they're wrong.
SpoilerWe do have this from November, but to me that looks like an internet survey rather than a representative poll https://scottishfsa.org/the-2023-var-survey/ Those are easy to ignore.
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Phillips could be a star if he was managed right, there’s a lot of untapped potential there. It’s another case in the post Tommy Wright era where the player is completely right not to extend their contract since their career progression has stalled here — if you compare how he’s playing now to a year ago there’s been little improvement, even though he’s a young player who should be coming toward their best years. See also Melker Hallberg, Cal Hendry.
I get why no one is upset about Phillips leaving, but just to offer a counterintuitive view: does anyone really expect us to replace him with someone better or at least at the same level? Our record on that front in recent years is not good. We’ve eventually upgraded on Zander Clark, but I can’t see any other areas where we’ve managed to get close to the varying levels of quality that keep leaving us. Could make a case for a couple of the loanees. It’s just been a steady decline in the quality of the squad since Tommy Wright left, without some miracle work from Levein that will continue this summer with Phillips out, and some of the ageing types like Considine and Carey who have helped paper over the cracks either also gone or declining further.
SpoilerOff the top of my head..
Clark < MitovTanser >> Gallacher
McCart > Considine
Kerr >>>>> all of the clowns who’ve had a turn at RCB
McNamara >>> Brown
Rooney = Drey Wright
McCann >>>>> Aldi McCann
Bryson = Phillips
Wotherspoon > Carey
Hallberg >> Smith
Jamie Murphy >>> Costelloe
Hendry >> Clark
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We’re a bit fucked, aren’t we? County have much better players than us (plus a couple of the best players in bottom six) and are no longer managed by a clown, all the other teams around us look better too so struggle to see how we escape 11th. After that I’d fancy United in a play off, and Rovers/Thistle I’d say would be 50/50.
Also ending up in the play-off is an absolute nightmare for squad planning for the next year too, so we’ll be miles behind the rest of the top flight teams even if we do stay up.
We’ve become Hamilton Accies 2015-2020, a turgid shite floating in the toilet just waiting to be flushed.
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Because I’m already in a shit mood I had a look back at our 17 league goals this season to try and learn something. It wasn’t fun.
SpoilerV Dundee 2 for Kucheriavi (both open play, one via Carey cross)
V Livi Accidental through ball for Dara Costello
V Killie 2 Clark goals, one via Kane shot rebound, one via Carey free kick
[Levein era begins]
V Motherwell Clark header from Smith corner, Considine scramble over the line from Carey corner
V Ross County Carey screamer - nice goal!
V Celtic DJ scramble over the line from Carey corner
V St Mirren Kane rebound from his own penalty
V Motherwell own goal via Smith free kick
V Hibs Carey finish after Hibs defender passed it right to him
V Killie Clark header from Smith free kick
V Aberdeen Keltjens header from Carey cross
V Motherwell McGowan scramble finish from Smith free kick
V Ross County Kimpioka finish after County defender misses the ball
V Dundee Smith finish from Carey pass
We’ve scored 9 goals from open play, 8 from set pieces
Probably 2 or maybe 3 max you could say came from a nice passing move rather than just someone lumping it in the box or a chronic defensive error. (Carey v Ross County, Keltjens v Aberdeen [debatable], Smith v Dundee)
Carey, who megamind Levein has decided should play as a defensive midfielder, has scored or assisted 8 of them (I’m being kind and counting his corners that resulted in a goal in the first phase)
12 goals since the Levein era began. Only game we’ve scored more than one in since he took over is the very first game before he got the chance to make his mark on the players … total of 5 goals from open play in the Levein era. In 17 matches.
Think about how much you’d have to pay over the course of a season to see all of this. And with the rotten VAR — which our club, like all the others, waved through without asking any of us — hanging over it all too. Something has to change at this football club.
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Even James Brown looked okay in a back four with a winger ahead of him. It’s not a difficult position to play as long as you have some ability as a defender - just overlap the winger and put the ball into box.
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15 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
Have been wondering in the past few games if Sidibeh would be better used out wide for now? Would give him more space on the ball and let him face forwards too. Hes getting a bit lost up front for me recently.
Would give him a chance to get used to the tempo and league in a simpler position while also giving us pace/directness out wide.
You could pick 2 wingers from Sidibeh, Carey, Wright and Jaiyesimi, depending on how you want to play.
Decent idea. Could even go with him on the left (I like Carey best on the right) and see if he can cut inside and cause problems with his pace. I hope that’s the type of thing Levein and Kirk are at least mulling over but the lack of effort at trying new things when it’s not been working is worrying and very Davidson-esq.
Banged this drum before but when we were in bad spells under King Tommy he would throw shit at the wall until something worked.
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The squad is so unbalanced and Levein is the third manager in a row who’s not tried to address this (granted, he only had the January window .. but he still made lots of signings.)
All of our centre-backs only look comfortable in a back 3. But all of our wing backs are actually full backs best in a back 4.
All of our centre midfielders would be best in a midfield 3 with a destroyer type CDM behind them to mop up and do the defensive work. The only player in the squad who fits that description is out of favour. None of them are Millar, McCann, Davidson or even Bryson type players who can do the work of two men in there. The squad’s main creative player is best as an attacking midfielder.
We have one fit winger, who has shown no signs of being anywhere near good enough for this level. There is not a single natural left winger in the squad.
We had one striker suited to playing up front on his own. He now plays for Dunfermline. The rest are untested or much better in a partnership.
Add all of those issues together and it’s very difficult to get a passable and competitive team together from the shite we’ve got to pick from. But it is worrying that Levein’s (Kirk’s?) answer to these difficult Qs is a back five full of square pegs, Carey playing deep, and a team with absolutely no presence or threat in the wide areas. And to sideline the players who might be able to help make it work.
Mitov
Keltjens McGowan Considine Gallagher
Sprangler
Smith Phillips
Jaiyesimi (Wright) Carey
Kimpioka
IMO.
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Looks like Gordon, Considine, Robinson CBs and Smith/Gallagher wing backs to me
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Are they fucking joking?
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A genuine delight to see a St Johnstone striker go through on goal and not shit their pants.
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Maybe it’s Fran at RWB with Keltjens in midfield?
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That’s a really strange team. Feels like square pegs in round holes everywhere.
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5 minutes ago, Ric said:
(2) Where do you stop that argument? On one side technology cannot be uninvented, and on the other do you roll back everything? Let's stop subsitutions, or throw ins, after all they were not plat of the game to begin with, or are you prescribing the benchmark to be specifically in the timeline you live in?
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6 minutes ago, Ric said:
Great rebuttal, you really nailed all the reasons why that was "complete nonsense".
I couldn't be arsed, but @VincentGuerinhas basically done that below
9 minutes ago, Ric said:That is word salad, and doesn't at all address the point I raised.
I presume you have never gotten over the introduction of the Spinning Jenny.
Q: "What should we go back to when all we had before VAR were 'Sportscene replays'?!"
A: Exactly what we had before VAR was introduced. Happy to help.0 -
3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:
I am completely against VAR and would never have introduced it and would bin it tomorrow. But we need to discuss reality here, and it is used, so let's take that as our starting point.
Miovski is unlucky. I don't think he trips Beni on purpose. But the fact remains that it has a material impact on what happens next. Beni can't shut his man down, the ball goes into the box, and a goal is scored. The fact that Miovski didn't mean it and then scored a nice finish does not change the fact that the foul helped Aberdeen score the goal. I don't agree that disallowing it is a travesty. The goal was assisted by the foul.
In general, get VAR in the bin. Absolutely. But as long as it's used, that's never going to be a goal.
The ref or linesman should spot it in real time and blow for the foul. Maybe he does if there isn't VAR to cover for him. If he doesn't spot it, then as we did for 100+ years everyone should play on and who cares? It really isn't an equivalent of Maradona hand of god or whatever.
It's a travesty it was allowed to continue and then we're retrospectively robbed of a lovely goal, something which is a rarity in our league.
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4 minutes ago, Ric said:
After some time, I think the answer is clear. VAR is fine, the problem is we are still using the laws of the pre-VAR game, and that is a fundamental failure of those who set the rules.
There are definitely problems to be sorted, and let me be clear here it is not as if we are going from a 100% reliability to something less with VAR. The simple fact is we are seeing more correct decisions being made, and obvious errors being addressed. That can only be a good thing. However when someone suggests that "He was only a toe over the line, how is that offside" then blames VAR, what they should be doing is blaming the rules that state the binary nature of the offside rule. That rule was put in place when it was nothing more than human judgement, not known for it's consistency and reliability, not when lasers can detect in centimetres rather than whether you can see one player's socks ahead of the others.
Aside the officials trying to abide by the rules which were revised for the VAR era, the time is a major issue and one that I don't understand why it's not been addressed by now. The time taken to sort out problems is far, far too long, and it now seems to have been shrouded in a cloud of conspiracy. That needs to be changed, decisions on whether VAR should be reviewed by the ref should be taken within 10 seconds of seeing a replay. VAR shouldn't tell the ref there is a foul, VAR officials should say based on their experience that the ref could have a second look at it. The VAR officials shouldn't be reviewing and reviewing before handing it over to the ref, taking up to 4 or 5 minutes, it should be immediately obvious whether the ref should have a second look, you don't need to spend minutes figuring out an answer for that ref, that is their job let them do it.
All in all, if those who want to remove VAR, what do you want to go back to? Remember all we had before were slow motion replays on Sportscene, the ONLY difference VAR has done is allowed those videos to be shown immediately rather than with a 4 hour delay where, if an error is spotted, it is impossible to fix because the game is over. "Un-inventing VAR" is not really an option.
400 words of complete nonsense.
To answer your last point — yes, back to what we had before, which was great. Why on earth would you fundamentally change the game for the worse to appease dipshit Sportscene pundits and those eternal victims who can't take a defeat?5 -
19 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:
Come on, now. Let's not be silly.
Short of sniper in the stand, there is no reason for Beni to go down. He's moving towards blocking the pass.
If Miovski had been running into the box and Beni had accidentally clipped him in the same way, you'd be on here (correctly) arguing it was an obvious penalty.
I understand you're frustrated. But it was a foul.
I think it's a very soft reason to retroactively disallow a goal. If the ref spots it in real time and gives it there is no issue, happens all the time. I doubt it would have been much of an issue if it wasn't spotted and the goal was given in a non-VAR world either — look how much Aberdeen still have to do to score at the moment when he accidentally clips the player. Hearts only start appealing for it once ball is in the net...
But because it isn't spotted at the time, play continues, Miovski scores a peach etc ... the fact it's then disallowed at that point is just a travesty. And (though I'm not pretending to have watched the game, just talking generally) it also changes the game by giving Hearts that boost/kick up the backside you get when you have a big-let off and the opposite for Aberdeen — think Spain V Scotland after the McTominay free kick was disallowed.
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Livingston vs St Johnstone - 11/05/2024
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Mitov
Keltjens Gordon Considine Gallacher
Wright Phillips MacPherson Carey
Crawford
Kimpioka
Might as well. Swap Gallacher for McGowan and move Considine to LB if he’s out.