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I reckon dodgy decisions tend to even themselves out when it comes to us and 9 out of the other 11 clubs in the league. We had rotten luck last season but quite a lot of luck this season? James Brown was very lucky to have his red card overturned, that’s another one to add to the list. The handball that wasn’t given against Livi last season was mental. I basically don’t believe there’s a conspiracy against St Johnstone.
Never evens out when it comes to the old firm tho.
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3 minutes ago, S7C said:
So it’s ok to claim that the “Old Firm” have the referees in their favour and not be labelled delusional, but not to claim that one side in particular seemingly gets the bulk of said controversial decisions?
Yes because it's not true. You are delusional.
Plenty to be encouraged about from our performance here considering how much has went against us. Phillips and MacPherson deserve the chance to make middle of the park their own over the next few games.
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On 15/04/2022 at 19:40, Hoose Rice said:
I want the amount of dodgy, uncontested decisions Celtic and Rangers get in their favour every single week to cease. If a year or two after VAR is introduced there is still the same shit happening then I hope the clubs then decide against it. But unless it happens we will never know.
Livi aren't in the top 6 right now because of two mental decisions against them v St johnstone also which awarded 3 points which effects Dundee too.
On 04/04/2022 at 22:52, Donathan said:It is when you have officials that consistently give soft penalties to the old firm clubs. Ultimately, I feel much better about decisions going against my club if they’ve been checked by qualified officials who don’t have to rely on the naked eye in real time. Not that I’m going to get that any time soon with us in league one, but as someone who watches plenty of international football, European competitions with VAR and the English premier league and other European leagues, I actually find the suspense of a VAR review adds to the excitement of a game.
On 01/01/2022 at 18:20, Yorky said:Refs favour the old firm, right ? So var comes in and they continue to do that only to have their decisions overruled. They are going to look incompetent or biased very quickly and as such will need to change and improve. I’m all for it.
On 04/10/2021 at 13:23, ZingaliMan said:Was not for VAR the game in Scotland is stopped enough without VAR being added. However 10 games in my own club have had 3 goals chopped off that should have stood going by analysts by tv pundits. If stood St Mirren would be sitting on a further 6 points. So now im all for VAR we all suffer from shit refs especially against the old firm.
On 01/10/2021 at 22:37, welldaft said:I am genuinely surprised how many are against it. Is it perfect = NO.
Is it needed at Ibrox and Parkhead = 100% yes.
Smaller teams will not be unduly disadvantaged but the Old firm will not get away with all dodgy decisions. This week we saw an offside goal against Fashion Sakala in Europa League for almost an indentical situation v Motherwell at Ibrox when decision was to award the goal.
Right now I would say refs get about 70% of decisions correct. If that is increased to 95% I am all for it.
On 07/10/2021 at 15:38, Theyellowbox said:I think there is no doubt that having VAR changes the way fans react to goals and penalties etc as whichever way it goes, you expect it will be checked and that takes away from the instantaneous reactions.
However, the argument that it delays the game is nonsense. Any decision that is contentions such as a penalty, has a long wait anyway as either the players are moaning or trying to slow the process down anyway.
For the viewers at home VAR adds to the excitement and in the ground, probably diminishes it a bit, but if we do not go with VAR, we will be massively out of step with everyone else. Sky will demand it, as will UEFA eventually. How sustainable is it for players to play internationally and in Europe with it, but not domestically.
Even folk in the ground, used to seeing it on all other TV games will have a moments pause if it is not there.
There is deffinately plusses and minuses over it and as a game going fan I'm not sure I'd like the uncertain delay if it goes against my team, but would love it if it went for my team.
Part of football is the debate over the refs decisions, but given there is so many tv angles already and can be checked in real time, the not using VAR is becoming unsustainable.
Not to mention that in Scotland, there is an over heightened sense of un level playing field felt by all fans. Rangers and Cetic fans think the refs favour the other and everyone else thinks they favour them two. VAR won't 100% change that, but it will take away a degree of it.
I do think we need to be careful to make it equal though. Cannot have some games getting 5-6 angles and others just 2 because of camera coverage. Also need (and I think this is already the case) clubs NOT to be able to show the replays on big screens.
Complete nuggets.
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Just now, Radford said:
Anyone that's abroad today only getting audio on Saints TV?
Video + audio for me (enjoying an afternoon in Paris).
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Brian Graham was (and probably is) much better than Jordan White surely? Goals not the only factor but ...
Brian Graham in the premiership: 25 goals in 96 games, total 4512 minutes. EDIT: goal ever 180 mins.
Jordan White in the premiership: 13 goals in 90 games, total 5896 mins. EDIT: goal every 453 mins.
White has 8 "assists" according to transfermarkt, Graham 5.
If you wanna look at their championship records since that's where they've both spent most of their career it's even clearer. Especially since Graham is 35 and still a regular while also coaching Thistle's WFC.
Graham: 75 goals, 237 games, 14,208 minutes
White: 35 goals, 144 games, 9697 minutes
White is very much not for me. Very Tommy Wright sort-of signing .. and Graham is the exception that sort-of worked when most of them didn't. Fallon, Iwelumo, Sutton and Denny Johnstone did not. At least all of those were free!
Having a big man up top for Liam Gordon to punt balls toward sounds like just about the only way we could get more eye-bleeding under Davidson.
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We started a midfield 3 of Butterfield, Gilmour and Crawford behind Kane and Ciftci on this day last year. Efe Ambrose was on the bench. Our squad is still stuffed full of shite but we've come a long way since then IMO, even if the squad building has been very haphazard at best.
The aftermath of that Kelty game was the first time I wanted us to sack Davidson. Since then I've never wavered from thinking our interests would be best served by getting rid, but I've also not felt as strongly about sacking him as I did on that day. Basically; that day was the Nadir under Davidson, everything since then has been varying degrees of marginally better, but without ever really being what I would deem acceptable. If he can continue to make progress this season, get us out of this weird slump, score a few goals and not end up in a relegation fight then I think that would satisfy my and most people's standards for now. If we stay in the slump and drop near the bottom in March-ish the calls for him to go will be louder than they were after Kelty, when he benefited from having won the cup double less than 12 months earlier. Yesterday's performance was much more suggestive of the first scenario than the five games before it were - that's why people on here are feeling better about things @Dick Van Dyke
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Our equaliser here would have been disallowed for a high boot no one moaned about at the time.
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Davidson is good at setting up a side to play the old firm. Aside from a few shockers we’re generally competitive against them and have been unlucky not to pick up more results during his management. At this level and in this league that is a really good managerial trait to have + one you need to win cups and have truly memorable success.
Things like that are part of why I don’t really agree he’s an irredeemably bad manager or whatever. Plus I think at times during his 2 and a half years as manager we’ve looked a really well drilled side, sometimes we press well, when on form we don’t allow many shots on goal at all. These things, which are down to Davidson, contributed to the immense success of his first season and the more limited successes since then. Sadly his flaws gave us the horror show last season, and we aren’t really going anywhere this season.
There’s a road he (and the club) could still go down that could see him become a good manager both for us and for himself in general. More tactical flexibility, less stubbornness, more ambition against poorer sides and someone at the club to say no to his recruitment suggestions. And maybe a more assertive assistant who could say things like “Graham Carey has been off it for months you moron” or “James Brown can’t play on the left” or “Liam Gordon could really use a break and our best player plays his position and is on the bench” would also help.
It would be great if amid all the off field nonsense the football team could become one of the positives rather than yet another negative. There are enough good players there for this to be the case!
tldr: More performances like that and the fans will be off Callum Davidson’s back in no time2 -
Might have been easier to maintain the positive start and vibes if our fans weren’t outnumbered 16.1 tbh
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Just now, Zamora Fan said:
This has to be it but I suspect it won't be.
Rangers, Rangers, Motherwell away, Celtic then Dundee United Away. We'll get two points max
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This has to be it but I suspect it won't be.
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56 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
This part is not correct. After paying a 5% levy to the SFA, and the costs of VAR, St Johnstone will retain the first 20% of the gate receipts for operational costs. The remaining money will be split 50-50.
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/9881/sfa_handbook-2022-23-digital.pdf
This is particularly damning IMO - the fact Flaherty basically told a lie he presumably thought no one would be any the wiser about. Wonder if there’s more fibs in there.
This might be harsh but I increasingly feel like any new owners need to “clean house” at the top level of the club. Lots of things just aren’t working.
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This has the unmistakable Callum Davidson-era Saints vibe of a lower league side clinging on away at a below average top flight side. 9 times out of ten they’ll break our resistance at some point.
Talking of which, have we completed ten passes yet?
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4 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said:
Carey retaining his place after last week’s showing is wild.
Why is his place in the first 11 untouchable? He’s a decent footballer but not sure he’s done anything of note for us, and he’s been shocking recently
Edit: Because I've resolved to be less of a negative f**k this year, I will say its good to see McGowan back in midfield and Crawford not in the team. I can see McGowan and MacPherson working as a pair, though I would have had Phillips in there instead.
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Can’t see Gallagher being worse than Brown at LWB, but it’s also v obvious that if he has anything other than a flawless game Davidson will jettison him from the club and then use this as justification - just like the time he started Vertainen at Ibrox
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What the f**k was that?
Would love to see the stats for Graham Carey and James Brown’s first half. Did either of them manage to complete a pass?
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A win
Edit: Fucking love VAR
Welcome to the forum Callum.
If that’s one of the “highs” for us under this manager this season, f**k that.0 -
Carey isn't to blame for our lack of posession. McGowan & Wright on the other hand has given it away countless times.
Your midfield is responsible for winning the ball back, keeping the ball ticking over and always being available for it. That isn’t Carey’s game which is why he’s spent most of his career (successfully) playing further forward.
Do you really think the problem is just players giving the ball away and not the fact that when they get the ball their passing options are so limited that they are likely to do this 7 times out of 10?0 -
Q: What do you get if you play a soft winger, an attacking midfielder and a centre back in a midfield 3 ahead of 3 very defensive centre backs who aren't good on the ball, at home against one of the worst teams in the league?
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If McGowan’s out, who plays in midfield with Hallberg? Presumably one of Phillips (is he fit?), Wotherspoon or Max K, none of whom sound particularly ideal for that role.
I just don’t think Davidson really understands why Ali McCann was so good in the midfield two and what he needs to recruit to ensure we don’t look so lost in there every week. McGowan an improvement on what we’ve had up to now but still a square peg alongside another square peg in Hallberg IMO.0 -
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Sorry for the blunt response, I panicked and did some very hurried googling when I read “gone”!0 -
Do pro-VAR people enjoy watching football more now than they did prior to its introduction?
It would be a resounding no from me. I understand players, management and clubs themselves being pro-VAR as ultimately they don’t want decisions to impact their job, but f**k me, football is a sport that is supposed to entertain people and VAR is diminishing that product.
As others have said, who really cares if someone is marginally offside? Why do we need to review every single contentious decision? I’d even go to the extent of saying it’s probably a good thing that your team is on the end of a few bad decisions a season. It’s entertaining. Football fans love to moan so a shite call lets them do that and ultimately they loved the sport for all its flaws before VAR came along.
I just can’t understand the mindset behind the urge to drastically change a sport that I and millions of others loved as it was. Like the super league it’s another thing being driven by people involved in the game who don’t actually care about the sport itself. Super league is billionaire owners etc whereas this is TV and prem fanboys combined with refs and superstar managers who want a “perfect” game. And as others have said those whiny p***ks who can’t cope with losing a football game and have to find someone to blame so it doesn’t happen again.
VAR isn’t about helping the small guy, it’s about giving the big guy every possible advantage to ensure they win as expected.0 -
Scott Tanser and his wife were in a car accident this week. Scott gone but Mrs Tanser was injured.
I know no longer a Saints player but I believe a few Saints fans may have became quite friendly with them both.
I think this needs an edit. I thought he had died after reading this.
All best to them both.0
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Never heard of the journo who reported it. Might just be a case of him hearing Watt is on the way out and putting 2+2 together because we're after a striker.
We could do a lot worse than Watt if it is true, but feel like conditions of any loan would involve us covering a decent chunk of his crazy town wages.
And if we're chucking money around, why not toss a huge contract in the direction of e.g. Connor Wickham?