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19 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:
The number of people who watch the game but don't understand the laws never ceases to amaze.
Maybe you could expand on that?
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2 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:
"Gaining an advantage" is when a player is literally in a position to take advantage of the ball coming off the keeper or the woodwork, neither of which happened on that occasion.
The rule said 'seeking' to gain an advantage. Didn't mean that the advantage had to be taken
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3 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
Ok then, every forward who ever, ever got ahead of the last defender had to be instantly given as offside.
Sorry, that's just bollocks.
As we can see, officials desperate to insert themselves into the story sometimes disallowed goals then, on the most spurious of grounds. The point is though, that they chose to. The rules absolutely did not require it, and were in fact worded in such a way as to convey that ruling out such goals was never the law's intention.
I remember that Keegan one. It was widely regarded at the time as an atrocious decision, primarily because it was.
Revisits that pretend it was correct at the time are misreading the time altogether.
You might think that the rules are bollocks and that's fair enough. But me quoting the rules to you isn't bollocks. That's what the rules used to say and either could be used as a reason for giving offside A player on the touchline who is in an offside position clearly isn't interfering or seeking to gain an advantage. A player in the goalmouth is. Sure the rules would be bent but there's no point in dishing out abuse to me just because you don't like the message
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13 hours ago, Tattie36 said:
Don’t think I like the idea, however I think we should have a one year trial next season just to make sure.
Good idea. Three up one down?
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14 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
It's a misconception that says this made the decision correct.
If it was true, play would just have needed stopped constantly when anyone stepped beyond the last defender in open play.
The idea of 'interfering with play' mattered, and the St Mirren player on the line was doing nothing of the sort.
A deplorable decision then, now and forever.
'Interfering with play' or 'seeking to gain an advantage'. I don't think there is any doubt that the St Mirren player on the line was 'seeking to gain an advantage'
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2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
I think it's much better now, in a level player being onside, and in the idea of players being inactive.
The frustration for me comes in VAR being used to correct things that were a million miles from being clearly or obviously wrong in the first place.
Agree with your first and third points but its the definition of inactive that can cause difficulties of interpretation. For example nowadays in the WBA v Leeds game Sugget would not be given offside but if he had ran on and received a pass from Astle and scored that would have been allowed. Its the whole first phase /second phase thing that I think can cause difficulties. He wasn't interfering initially but if he then scored he would undoubtedly be interfering
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16 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
I referred to this one on here recently. It was a Paul Sturrock 'goal'.
in my recollection, the offside player had been loitering out near the touchline. On watching it again though, the offside player was pretty central and, I suppose, could be said to have blocked the goalkeeper's view. He kind of ducked under the shot.
Peter Lorimer was famously the victim for Leeds in the European Cup final. He also suffered similarly in an FA Cup semi-final in the late 60s.
Goals like that were disallowed quite frequently. It was incredibly frustrating, as well as usually both stupid and unjust.
It was frustrating but I'm not sure that the current interpretation of the offside rule is any better
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On 18/02/2023 at 14:08, Sweet Pete said:
Anyone picking Scotland v Cyprus over a top of the table clash between Binos and Sons is a weirdo. International football is crap at the best of times, but even more so when it's an important club game.
Wish I could have given that more than one greenie. Any suggestion that our game should be shifted to a Friday or Saturday night should get bombed out straight away
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16 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:
Immediately, I'm thinking of the match against West Brom at Elland Road: another harsh decision which went against Leeds. But that was back in 1971.
EDIT: looked that match up, it wasn't a pile of kids who came on, but mostly elderly spectators. Ray Tinkler was the referee. This is a Scottish football history section though, so I won't post the link to Jeff Astle's goal which caused the fury, but if interested, look it up, one of the worst decisions of the time, given the offside rules.
I watched that recently and what struck me was that the fans who invaded had shirt and tie on
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On 18/02/2023 at 10:14, Dave Barton said:
As I remember it he was charged with setting fire to a sports shop he owned - a suspected insurance job - but was found not guilty.
Still, "there's no smoke... "
Led to a suggestion that Celtic might sign a player with the surname Shops so that their midfield would read Glavin, Burns, Shops.
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6 hours ago, Stylish Kid said:
Yep. Absolutely horrific. I've since looked up the band and I see that it's a classic "less talented younger brother" scenario.
Also, why on earth would you have to sing that?!
Not really the less talented younger brother given that it was written by Roger McGough who is a fairly well respected poet
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If the referee sees the incident and makes a subjective decision that isn’t something that var should be interfering with. It should only come in if the referee misses something. It shouldn’t be there at all of course
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16 hours ago, Jan Vojáček said:
That was really frustrating, and feels like a golden opportunity to claw some additional points clear of Stirling Albion wasted. That's not to slight East Fife, who did exactly what we have done all season. Be better in both boxes - the areas where games are won and lost.
The second-half was similar to the Stenny game last month; we played Stenhousemuir (but failed to score) and East Fife played Dumbarton (but took one of their chances on the break and didn't concede from one of the host of corners we had).
The two injuries looked to really rock us after starting the game fairly well and missing two good opportunities - first from Ally Love and then, I think, Aron Lynas.
Gregg Wylde going off was a blow. Mainly because he's a lot more suited to our style of play than Ross MacLean. Wylde is disciplined and old-fashioned. A chalk on the boots type who wants to stay wide, protect his full-back and pump crosses into the box. Whereas MacLean wants to get at players more, which proved utterly fruitless all afternoon.
Losing Martin McNiff as we conceded the goal was a big bodyblow. Suddenly we went from having a nice balance to not having a left-footer anywhere on the left side.
The goal we lost was poor on a number of accounts. A free header from a corner is bad, but it did look like it shouldn't have been a corner - and I can't help but think the frustration from the players possibly led to them failing to track Aaron Steele. I'll wait until I see it back on EFTV before I make a call for sure on that one though.
Faz has had a fair bit of stick for being too loyal to players and too loyal to the 4-1-4-1. And I understand that. But today he really went for it and, arguably, we lost our strongest aspect. Our rigid shape.
He was obviously keen to get attacking players on the park, with East Fife basically camped inside their own half inviting pressure. But the two early subs meant he had to chuck both Rusty and Declan Byrne on in one go. And it didn't really work. In more normal circumstances I think he would've gone 4-4-2 like last week, but he was obviously keen to get both strikers on.
Suddenly we had Stuart Carswell at left-back, nobody on left wing. Ryan Wallace somewhere in a central midfield that also sometimes contained Finlay Gray and Ryan Blair. Ross MacLean out on the right. And Byrne and Rusty running around together up top. It was a bit of a mess.
Anyone who has played Football Manager will have had a game where you turf everyone forward and select 'overload' and that was exactly what we did.
Fair play to Faz for going for it. But we badly missed Kalvin Orsi for some additional natural width when he was hooked, and I think we ended up playing into East Fife's hands.
Their central defenders were absolutely superb and mopped up everything high with ease, whilst the sheer number of bodies back there meant they crowded out anything on the ground. We struggled to break them down and I can only remember Allan Fleming having one save to make - albeit a good one - from Russell McLean at close range.
There were misplaced passes all over the shop, every final decision was the wrong one and - although we had all the ball - we did exactly what teams have done against us with it this season in that position. Very little dangerous.
The second goal was just a consequence of chucking everyone forward, so I've no issue with that. May as well lose 2-0 going for it as lose 1-0 but act like you're defending a narrow defeat. But I can't help but feel we panicked a wee bit when we were only 1-0 down with plenty of time to get level.
Faz said afterwards that we've played worse and won. And I'd agree with that assessment. We weren't rubbish today and actually played a fair bit of football. But East Fife were better at defending their box, and took the chances that came there way, and that's what wins you games.
In terms of positives though, there was really only one major one for me. And that was big Peter Grant. He played very well when he came on. He was composed on the ball, strong in the air and knew how to play with his severely limited pace. At stages he reminded me of Frazer Wright in the way he moved at a snail's pace, but timed his interceptions perfectly.
There were a few players who can be worried about their starting position for next week though. With Gregg Wylde out, Ross MacLean is the natural replacement. But I thought he was totally ineffective. So too was Ally Love who, aside from missing a great chance inside two minutes, offered very little.
Depending on the deal with injuries, and neither Gregg Wylde nor Martin McNiff looked great, Faz has a big decision to make next week with selection.
If he sticks 4-1-4-1 then we will likely see the Swiss Army Knife Stuart Carswell at left-back, with someone else ahead of him. But I'm not sure who. I'd be tempted to bring Joe McKee back if he's fit to play in central midfield. But there's no real point playing him on our quagmire of a pitch.
If he goes 4-4-2 then I'd expect Gray and Blair to be our midfield two, with Wallace and Rusty up top. But I've no idea if he'd risk that given we could be without two defensively strong left-sided players.
Today was a bad day at the office. But how we bounce back next week is now the important thing. We've had a couple of blips this season that have been followed up with a return to form. Hopefully we'll see that again against Elgin.
Like you I didn’t think it was a corner before the goal and I see East Fife conveniently missed that out. Also that that Peter Grant had an excellent game. On the question of subs would it not have made more sense to bring one sub on at half time and then we would still have had the option of a further one in the second half if necessary?
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On 13/02/2023 at 12:54, George Parr said:
So 14 points clear of 3rd placed Annan and two games in hand (both at Home). Pretty good going for mid-February. Anything less than a second placed finish now would be disastrous.
It would. Problem is that second isn't really any better than fourth even if we end up twenty points ahead of fourth place. Indeed it might be worse as fourth will get to play Clyde or Peterhead which will likely be an easier game than playing third place.
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55 minutes ago, squeezebox-son said:
A couple of strange refereeing decisions today, again. Fortunately didn't have an impact on the match, but the potential was there for them to.
When playing advantage, surely you can't then pull it back because the player kicks his pass out of play? If the player got through on goal and hit his shot off target, would he have pulled it back? Just because the player played a bad pass doesn't mean the advantage wasn't there for them.
Also, when the head knock happened, why did he give Greg Fleming the ball that we had before he stopped play? The passage also lead to Chris Johnson almost getting in because Buchanan was barely out of the opposition box when Fleming punted it up the park.
Strange.
On a positive note, 2 brilliant finishes for our goals. After the first I couldn't help but think that there are only a couple of players in our team who would have made it look so easy. The second one just never looked in doubt, when the ball got to Rusty he controlled it with confidence and powered it beyond Fleming. Quality and hopefully we can see more of it from now to the end of the season.
If the ball is in the area or last played in the area when the ref stops play the drop ball goes to the keeper
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52 minutes ago, Staggie52 said:
If you think the fact that many rules are subjective makes a case for having 90 minutes ball in play time at every game then I suggest you think again. IMHO it would ruin the game as a spectator sport. I have no problem with officials having to make judgements as they do in the majority of sports.
I don't think anyone has suggested 90 minutes of ball in play but 60 minutes would likely mean games being roughly the length they are now and would stop time wasting at a stroke as there would be no point.
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2 minutes ago, Boghead ranter said:
Probably not, as if we're in the playoffs, we won't have been sitting top.
That's why I left that bit unbolded
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1 hour ago, Thommo90 said:
It is 10-12 yards from the goal. Around the same distance as the pen spot, just from an angle.
Take your point about playing out the game in our own box. We have the players and ability to kill games off but we know Farrell is keen to see us sitting in. Which has clearly largely worked.
Madness moaning about playing style when sitting top
Will you still be saying that if we end up in the play offs and don't win them?
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25 minutes ago, Thommo90 said:
Not harsh at all imo. A stronger hand saves that all day long. Canny grumble too much though, we have had hopeless keepers throwing goals in every week it felt like with Brennan, Adam etc.
Obviously a stronger hand saves it but the shot was from a few yards and Long would have been trying to cover both a shot and possibly a cross from that position. Maybe question why the guy had so much time given we had five defenders on the park at the time. Or even why we decided to play the last fifteen minutes in the third of the park in front of our goal.
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17 hours ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
Brett Long has been largely excellent for us since he signed but that is seriously piss poor from him for that equaliser.
Bit harsh. The guy is on the edge of the six yard box with a free shot at goal
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1 hour ago, Central Belt Caley said:
Nice of Sky to use the correct trophy in their tweet…
Sky also seem to think that Queens were thrown out for fielding the ten players who were correctly registered rather than for fielding the one who wasnt
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3 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:
Yeah, I would say so. Not undroppable in the way Dom Thomas was. But undroppable in that they have came in and played consistently well, and don't deserve dropped. I think if we were, out of the blue, to bench Div Wilson tomorrow he could feel aggrieved. And the same went for McKee when he was fit and goes for Ryan Blair. Just as it went for Finlay Gray when he was starting every week.
I'd agree with Moonster on Blair as well. I think he's one of our most important players and nobody can slot into the role he plays without us changing the way we play. Even ignoring McGeever's red card, we missed him massively up at Forfar where they dictated the play, and Albion Rovers dominated our midfield at Cliftonhill when he only came on as a sub. East Fife was very much the exception rather than the rule. And they were woeful that day.
Ryan Blair is about as unfashionable and unexciting as it gets. And his proneness to clumsy yellow cards will bite him on the arse at some stage when he picks up two in one game. But if he was to miss six weeks or something through injury our form would suffer imo.
Fair enough. I guess I've interpreted undroppable in a different way than you meant it.
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8 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Nobody else in the team can do the job Ryan Blair does.
And yet Finlay Gray replaced him against East Fife and we won 2-0
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7 minutes ago, Thommo90 said:
Yes, do you not think so?
I'd say anyone in front of the defence was droppable. No-one has particularly stood out as being essential to the team
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Dumbarton vs Stirling Albion
in Scottish League 2 General Chatter
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Guess the ref couldn’t be bothered running around in the cold for ninety minutes