Bobby_F
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Good on ya for giving it (gambling) up.
I won't go and see a game involving Rangers or Celtic.
EVERYBODY should let their club know NOW how they feel about any upcoming vote.
Sadly I do actually still gamble - but not that much, as my real weakness was for fruit machines.
Over the years I still get astonished from time to time when I notice a puggy in a pub and just laugh at the thought that I used to be 'FANatical' about them.
I really am staring to feel similar feelings rising around this matter.
It's one thing moaning about the favouritism the OF get in just about every aspect of the game, but it's quite another having it made quite so clear that the whole system is warped to make sure they continue to thrive at everyone else's benefit.
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Really?
But maybe you're right. Fans can't think much of their own clubs if they're going to desert them because Rangers don't get punished as much as they'd like (which is what it boils down to once all the fake moral outrage and dramaqueenery is stripped away).
From the time I was a lad I was totally enthralled by fruit machines. I was completely addicted. Just about every spare penny I had I'd want to stick in to those machines in the hope of winning a jackpot.
Ashamedly, one day whilst a student, I lost about £180 in a single day on the union puggy. That was a third of what I had to live on for 3 months.
In 1988 new 'electronic' puggies started appearing everywhere - and the infamous high/low 'gambles' became omnipresent. Even although I always suspected the old machines weren't completely random as soon as I knew for sure that the machines were fixed... my addiction disappeared. I don't even play fruit machines in Vegas despite the fact they're everywhere, and there is zero temptation to put my money anywhere near them again.
So I wouldn't underestimate people's reaction to the realisation that something they've invested a lifetime of love and cash in is actually a corrupt sham.
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Chris Brookmyre used an excellent analogy on Off The Ball last Saturday when he likened Rangers, and by inference Celtic, to an abusive partner who resorts to the 'I may be a b*****d but you can't live without me' line of dogma.
Scottish football has to decide whether this sort of blackmail - and by f**k, expect Keevins, Young, Traynor et al to really start wading in on the side of abuse - should debar natural justice being applied to the Rangers case and what's left of the game's integrity here to be preserved. I won't be holding my breath, and although I support a minnow I'm now honestly considering whether I would wish to continue supporting a corrupt farce should the authorities cravenly kowtow to Sky and the Old Firm.
That same Old Firm you understand who have been trying to escape the rest of us for the last 20 years.......
Nice one.
Hope he extended it further with the "Nobody else would have you. You're lucky to have me. Oh, and I may leave you for the next slightly more attractive tart that'll take me."
The latter being an empty threat of course as serial abusers aren't normally welcomed with open arms by those not already under their spell.
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I seem to recall that when Gretna went down the pan, the SFL fixtures were all issued and confirmed and all that happened was that the relevant teams were just slotted into the relevant spots. So in Rangers case, moving to Div 3, they would take on the fixtures of the team losing the Div 2 play offs.
Will they not need to ensure that Rangers 2012 and Queens Park don't have home fixtures on the same day?
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I'm not particularly sure, although I'm happy to be corrected, that 140 years of history happened in the last ten years.
FYI - financial doping at Mordor in the last 10-15 years...
Dave King - £20m
Joe Lewis - £40m
Tax dodging - £48m
Tax dodging - £3m
Tax dodging - £14m
NTL Media - £32m
MIH debt write down - £51m
JJB Sports deal - £18m
None of those deals, with the possible exception of the JJB one, are the sort of ones that club could ever count on again. And certainly three of them should never have happened in the first place.
Without that money, how competitive do you think your mob of shysters would have been?
So how come, with all the financial cheating Rangers have been doing over the last 10-15 years that Celtic have pretty much matched them?
Should both clubs not have approximately the same revenues - or are Celtic so much more massive a club that Rangers had to cheat to the tune of £10m a year to stay with them?
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What i dont understand is where were these muppets when David Murray put the club up for sale all those years ago?
Murray ended up having to give the club away.Now these tossers come along when its too late.
I've worried all along that the whole thing is a big charade with Patsy Whyte (knowingly) taking the heat to rid the club of it's toxicity so the real new owners could come in with a cleaner slate.
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That's very much not the case. From the last of the blog posts:
Total Cost of the admittance of Rangers NewCo to Celtic = £4.55m merchandising + £500k - £17.7m match day revenue = £12.65m loss per season (but once the European money is added, Celtic could be about £7.35 million better off over per season than they are currently)
If Celtic hold up their end of the bargain on the pitch, they win either way. Getting into the Champions League groups is worth a legitimate £20 million to the club and qualification to the Champions playoffs is all but certain. Celtic can easily survive without Rangers as long as they perform to their potential on the pitch and, if/when a NewCo got into the SPL, their revenues would rise further. Whatever happens to Rangers, if Celtic perform on the pitch, they are quids in.
Does that factor in the loss of roughly 30,000 from each home gate?
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I think the biggest joy out of all of this, and it shouldn't underestimated in anyway, the knuckle dragging masses of Govan and those that infect the whole of Scotland have learnt a new word.
A whole new word with more than two syllables. In fact it has gained such momentum that some of the Scottish football media have started using it.
There is now never an interview or an article, or even a post on a Rangers based forum that doesn't use this new word to hit our culture.
Despite how hard it is for many of these goons to pronounce, they still are determined to use this word wherever possible so as they feel they are
somewhat an expert on the matter they are discussing.
I do however suspect many don't really know what it means, but regardless it should be outlawed forever more and anyone found using it should be subjected
to a £1,000,000 fine and 60 lashes before 60 days in the stocks. If the fine remains unpaid after 7 days it is a death sentence.
Sorry if anyone thinks this is harsh of me, but enough is enough.
I have to say this has confused me too.
I've been to scared to ask why dragons eating onions has got anything to do with the Rangers/SFA spat?
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...Any chance you could have a word with Jardine, Goram, Traynor, Hateley, Doddsy....
It's not THAT simple!
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it's no about Killie and their £11 million debt yet either - yet
Debt is only an issue if you can't service it.
When Rangers not only couldn't service their debt, but even needed to steal from HMRC to pay wages/bills, things were obviously going to fall to bits without a very large injection of capital.
When that didn't happen, and with no sign of it happening, I really can't see how Rangers fans don't understand that their club, at least as they have known it, is gone.
It is all really very simple.
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Sandy Jardine :
“It wasn’t Rangers Football Club, it was Craig Whyte who put us in this situation,” Jardine said.“I’m still at the club, I worked under Craig Whyte and I have to say that nobody knew that he wasn’t paying bills. It was as big a shock to us as to everybody in Scottish football.”
Seriously!?!
How can they honestly expect us to fall for this?
Are we supposed to believe that Whyte solely wrote every cheque, did every EFT, prepared (obviously forged) management accounts for board meetings…
Just complete nonsense, and surely even only the dimmest Rangers fans really believes that nobody else in the organisation knew what was going on!
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Brora's one of these strange places that seems to have an above average affiliation with Rangers. A guy that used to work for me who lived up there was part of some "Supporters Club" or some pish up there and used to wander around wearing the t-shirt every single day.
A friend of mine (originally from Ayrshire) moved there with his (Inuit) wife and their daughter.
They eventually left not just Brora but the country altogether in part due to the racist abuse mother and daughter got from the locals.
And for a small place, there did seem to be a pretty large number of Rangers tops in evidence.
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Having read that for a laugh I have to pick out the line where he picks the wrong clubs for financial problems.
"The Clydesdale Bank’s sponsorship of the SPL ends a year from now. Who would want to sponsor an SPL without Rangers?
St Mirren have already admitted that a Rangersless SPL would cost them £1M a year. So that’s £3M over three years. That would drive St Mirren out of business.
Motherwell, St Johnstone and Kilmarnock are three others who could be forced to the wall."
Kilmarnock yes I will give him that but St Mirren have no debt, Motherwell are heading that way and we have over a million in the bank.
When Rangers go out of business, pay the players less and the game goes on. Using his logic why did St Johnstone not go bust when we had 7 years in the first divisions?
Let's assume for a second this is tru.
Given why we're having these discussions, there's no way RM dwellers would get this, but here's how a proper business (even a football club) would react to this:
Projected income set to drop by £1m over the next three years. Drop projected expenditure by £1m per year as quickly as is humanly possible, ie get rid of any players on high salaries ASAP or negotiate wage reductions.
Here's how The Rangers would handle it:
Projected income set to drop by £1m over the next three years. We are the people, so... sign half a dozen guys with foreign names for around a mil a piece each season (or try to get Scotland’s best players at Diddy teams for pennies); pay them £20k per week; and as an economy measure stay at 4* rather than 5* hotels when on long distance away trips to the likes of Edinburgh.
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Cue numerous responses along the lines of "Great article, Leggo, you're the only journo who tells it like it is!"
All from P&B members posting under aliases
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I've been posting on RM under the pseudonym "Spartacus" ... and so has my wife.
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"And if Rangers are packed off to Division Three, then let’s get Murray Park working. Let’s get their equivalents of the Tony Watts coming through."
Did Celtic not get him from Airdrie United?
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As Rene Descartes once almost put it: "Je pens, donc je ne suis pas un supporter de Rangers"
Descartes was a drunken old fart...
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There is also a growing campaign for the 3 guys on the panel to be named. Why? So they can hound these guys who have impartially given Rangers a pretty lenient penalty?
Its shocking really.
It'll be to see if they have names that sound Kaflik.
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The SPL share isn't tradeable.
But I suspect a method will be found to make it so.
If the SPL properly apply their rulebook Rangers should be removed from the league, Dunfermline stay up and Ross County go up.
Sadly for our friends in fife, I don't think that will happen.
Also If Stewart Regan and Campbell Ogilvie DID lunch with Craig Whyte and offer any assurances,, I hope to hear of their resignations
You know, normally I hate seeing clubs escape relegation at the expense of another club for non-footballing reasons.
Normally.
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First time I've ever clicked on a link to go to another club's forum - soooo glad I did.
Totally bonkers.
This one is my favourite:
"I know thats why I also suggested the players walk off the park at 1pm and we forfeit the points.
This would be a very bold statement and Sky would start to get involved especially as this will be the most watched fixture.
Remember the Scottish players kicked off without the other team being present, how farcical was that and a walk off the park leaving the Celtic players standing would show how farcical the SFA are being while we are in a crises. We should be getting supporting during these times but they are trying to strangle the life out of our club."
Where do they get this from?
It's like Nat Fraser's council saying "M'Lud, my client thought he'd got away with it for so many years that surely he shouldn't be being brought to justice now?"
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Walking out of a stadium when a match has finished is a bold statement of Tiananman Square dimensions.
It IS - surely they normally walk out 15 minutes before a game ends?
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It's Thursday. Deadlines for final, final, final, final, final best and final offers were over a week ago. Have Haudit and Daudit the dynamic administration duo announced anything yet? Have any of the bidders made it through to bootcamp, and who will get Simon Cowell as their mentor....
Zzzzzzzz.... the. worst. administration. ever.
They've announced they've added another quarter million to their bill.
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Sadly they're that daft.
Someone needs to make a giant cardboard blender and get it photographed outside Murray Park on Monday MornIng.
Cardboard? Surely balsa wood would be the material of choice - at least if you remember Saints On Line circa 2000.
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To thicken the plot, the Motherwell v Rangers fixture is on the same day as the deadline for Rangers Euro football eligibility.
Motherwell could qualify for the Champions League, take a significant step towards second and/or watch Rangers lose the title all at once.
Guaranteed FURY in the South Stand.
:lol: God, I'd almost want to be a Well fan - what a day that'll be!!!!!
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
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Taking these things through court is a very expensive exercise. Where would they get the money to fritter away on a pointless action?
Oh, err, hang on a minute....