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1 hour ago, GordonS said:
The biggest non-league senior play-off, between Cove Rangers and Spartans, drew 655 people for the second leg. I can't find a figure for the first leg but I think it was lower. There was a combined 2,300 or so at the two L2 play-off matches this season, the biggest tie in the senior non-league calendar.
At last year's Junior Cup Final there were 4,300 supporting Glenafton alone.
I find it disappointing that Talbot, Glenafton and Cumnock, three clubs far bigger and more successful than any club in the EoS or LL, get called diddy teams, as one poster here has done. Fans of the pyramid ought to ask themselves why its so unappealing to the the heartland of non-league football in Scotland, and maybe look at how to address their concerns rather than resort to name-calling.
There was 2.145 at the first play off.cove won 4 nil think that counted for a poor 2nd leg turn out.dont think iv'e seen a post which says the juniors in total are diddy teams.have seen it the other way around.why does the crowd seem that important its the football we watch is it not.
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16 minutes ago, patriot1 said:
I was talking about the SPFL. I am aware that very few clubs will ever grace the national leagues but it should be the dream for all teams in the pyramid.
Can I just clarify that I personally would like to see an all in pyramid system. However if clubs are moving to the EOS league I want them to do it because they want to better themselves, whether that is through obtaining their licence, improving facilities or moving up the leagues not just because it will reduce their trips across the Queensferry Crossing.
Dont think they joined the e.o.s.to save traveling.but to better their circumstances.
Fixture list helps plan sponsirships.also gives a timetable for pitch maintenance also dicipline is transparent delt with by the s.f.a. the e.o.s.criteria also looks at player and supporters comfort at games.theres many denifites not just the lack of major travel.
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1 hour ago, Cumbo said:
My club Jeanfield are keen to join pyramid and had planned to apply for start of 2019/2020 season.
We are currently south of the line (just) but rumours that the line may be moving further south.
Ideally we would be in EOS as road links from Perth southbound are better than those going North.
Has anyone else heard this about the boundary line?Not heard this.but your no further than hawick.eyemouth or coldstream. the boundary line if there is one should not come into it.
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25 minutes ago, sevesnape said:
When is the next SFA meeting?
6th june.its the a.g.m. no date for the next pyramid working group.
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28 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:
Only if it were seriously being suggested that the West juniors wanting to join the pyramid be absorbed by the SoS. Provided there are sufficient clubs to form a new WoSL it doesn't really matter who's in the SoS.
Why would it!!!!. Again the west of scotland league will be a pyramid league for all clubs who meet entry criteria based on e.o.s.criteria.those clubs who wish to stay junior will not be effected in any way.as they will be JUNIOR.
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2 minutes ago, Robert James said:
Glasgow Uni are not a junior club, so I am not party to "the stories doing the rounds".
What are these alleged stories/rumours ? And when is the West Region AGM ?
Let be straight here. when the west if scotland league gets formed it will not just be for junior teams only.it will open to any club who wishes to join the pryamid system i f they make criteria. you really need to realise the senior leagues are run outwith the junior setup. again clubs who wish to remain junior can do so. its their CHOICE which some clubs have openly said they will do.
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25 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
The junior cup is a great competition and having something that is like it and can be viewed as a continuation of it would greatly enhance the EoS and any future WoS in the years ahead.
Yes. it certinaly is a great copition,but that cup will there for the JUNIORS who remain in their set up as the SENIORS have the regionl cup.which all the new clubs in the senior set up will play in.
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9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Making sure there's still something that is effectively a continuation of the traditions of the junior cup if not it's exact same format would be the obvious one.
Why. The east of scotland senior football league / asscoation. Run the regional cup between the s.o.s. and the LL league.when the west of scotland senior league comes into being that will be included in the compition.sorted.then when the north senior league get done that to will be included. Anything junior histories.traditions.can stay with the S.J.F.A. allowing any club who does not want change can stay in their league.
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9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Agree that only one will be left standing over most of the LL's catchment south of the Tay in five years or so and what will be left will effectively be the old Tayside region maybe plus some Fife clubs that are closer to Dundee and Perth than Edinburgh like St Andrews and Newburgh. Could have gone either way because the EoS was in a very bad way before Kelty's arrival. Given it will be mainly junior clubs involved either way and EoS clubs get full voting rights after a year, the EoS and any new WoS can still be retrofitted to suit junior football traditions a bit better down the road. Surprised more people don't see that as an opportunity rather than a threat.
All these clubs who if voted in.will be like the other clubs they will play in the east of scotland senior football league.which has its own rules and its own constitution. Which run in line with the S.F.As.nothing like the juniors. most teams leaving are doing so for a change to a better orginised league. Late applicants are now leaving as they will be secluded.travel costs. gate monies.snd sponsors will be effected.
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9 hours ago, Robert James said:
Personally I am looking forward to getting the 2018 SFA , SJFA, EoSL & SOSFL AGM's over and done with, and then we can all look forward to some real football battles......... on the pitch.
Senior -v- ex Junior will throw up some interesting results in the EoS, and West Junior clubs will need to be clear what they want for the future. At present not many of us have any idea who wants what, when, and in what format in the West. I'm not even sure if they know themselves, what they actually want to happen.
Role on August, please.
The format in the west should and will be a west of scotland league.to mirror the south and east of scotland.3 leagues working within the pyramid.play off's and promotions.its freedom of of choice any clubs not willing to take part stay junior. thats the future!!!!. then we start on the north juniors trying to bring them in. Remember clubs on this forum have said both.some want to change some dont.?
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Got to honest guys.some people on this thread seem more determined to slag. insult. and abuse. People who's clubs have moved or are open to move to the pyramid.it sort of sums up the thread
The juniors what is the future
suppose i will be next.
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57 minutes ago, GLENAFTON93 said:
Thought most of your posts were pretty sensible, but now you've joined the rest and slagging off the Juniors, nobody set themselves aloof , the West Teams didn't think the SOS was a viable entry to the pyramid, that was their decision rightly or wrongly , you are now quite happy to accept teams from the Junior leagues so all is well with those teams, again the Big Cup comes up , the number of Junior teams that have taken part are few. Be assured some clubs are not sitting back thinking they are better, but your generalisation does you no favours.
No.!!!! read my statement its not the teams that have set them selfs abouve but your regions.weather you like it or not access to the scottish cup and any monies gain have always been a factor.never said the s.o.s was the only route for the west clubs.again this needs to be sorted. !!! we were always told the juniors are not interested in the pyramid when its been proven not to be true. but your looking to come in on your terms instead of itegration playing throught the system just like the new clubs who have joined the e.o.s.i have posted about starting a w.o.s.league many times. did so earlier but until you try and do something anything to get it started there are still two avenue's of access. it just does not happen people make things happen.dont take this the wrong way. but 13 clubs made this whole debate happen by seeking change which they think will better their situation.
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I do agree with that.but for a west league to start in time for the new season there needs to be appitite from west based clubs. if 10 or 12 said they wanted to give it go this is what you do.adapt the e.o.s.rules pick a board amoungst the clubs.ask the e.o.s.fixture secatary to do you fixtures arrange board meetings once a month. can do it by confrence calls. SORTED one season then see if you can expand.
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The headline for this thread the juniors whats the future.
Plain and simple you set yourselfs aloof and were not interested in the pyramid set up.but wanted to stay in your own world whilst hoping to play in the scottish cup. this i dont think! is going to happen for all. a few forward thinking clubs saw this.and decided to apply to the east of scotland tear6. NOW your trying to come up with plans to put your super league clubs in the top.
The future!!! apply to the e.o.s or the s.o.s. because i dont this being sorted anytime soon. or if the grade ( junior) means that much to you stay put.re-orginse your leugeas as you never played in the scottish cup before.the s.f.a.brought this in 11years ago to try and unifie but Again you stood back as you thought you were better than that.
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52 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
If everybody had been fully on board and a pyramid had been put together properly based on footballing merit, the LL would have been mainly comprised of top junior superleague clubs rather than being hijacked by EoS premier clubs. The idea of Bo'ness United and Linlithgow Rose entering a pyramid at tier 8 would have been regarded as insane five to ten years ago. The fact that it has a chance of actually happening now shows the extent to which the lunatics are in control of the asylum in Scottish football.
everybody was fully on board but the juniors thought that they were to good to take part.they wanted to stay in their own wee bubble.with their own wee league.now because some teams in the east have seen a better chance to progress their clubs through the pyramid league. you are looking to ridicule the e.o.s.there has been talk on this board about the e.o.s.starting and running the w.o.s.but no clubs have asked they go about it. if you cant or dont want to improve your clubs then please stop being so derogtory about teams and a league who took a massive blow when they lost 14 clubs over 2 seasons but are still going strong and have encouraged their clubs to try and get their licences.
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Does anyone know the out come of thursdays p.w.g meeting and if their meeting again. or leaving it till next season.
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21 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
I think the EoS setting up a WoS is more about guidance than anything else. Get the WoS members together, here's our constitution and rules. Here's the things you might need to know about being the under the SFA instead of the SJFA. You're going to want to know about getting your members licenced = here's what we've learned.
Thats bang on.just need teams to step up.
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21 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Clearly the biggest change needed right now is free elections in the EoSFA! How all these poor innocent Junior clubs can sign up for a despotic regime that hands out lifetime committee seats to no one but their cronies is unimaginable.
Oh, wait no. The EoS are actually bending over backwards to accomadate everyone they can and i'm sure once everyone's a fully paid up member they'll all get equal votes and can campaign for committee positions like everyone else.
The east of scotland is run by a board.it also has 2 nuetral members.a secetary and a fixture secetary.
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6 minutes ago, HTG said:
Who runs the SoS? There's no reason why the EoS would run the WoS. You could just as easily conclude that the LL should run Tier 5 and down. But they don't. So the option for a WoS board to be created to run autonomously within a pyramid seems feasible enough to me. And if the WoS league is predominantly teams currently in junior football, then the current West Juniors mgt committee could run it. That may feel conflicting and I guess depends on whether they are jumping in en masse or not.
East of scotland have offered to start a w.o.s.league.adapt their rules.need at least 12 clubs to start but none have come forward.
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2 hours ago, archieb said:
So who "started" the Lowland League?
The lowland league was started by 12 east of scotland clubs.who wished to change.they only sought s.f.a. sanction for the scottish cup which they all played in.they also asked the juniors and were ridiculed.if its right then a west of scotland league could start in time for the new season ahead.use the e.o.s. rules get 12 to 16 teams to start.ask their fixture secatery to do the fixtures tear 6 in the west sorted. o r just WAIT.
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21 minutes ago, Che Dail said:
The deal they want is for junior clubs to have access to the Scottish Cup and club licensing.
In return, nothing.
Spot on.thats been the objective from the start.by the way the s.f.a.dont start league's.
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1 hour ago, G4Mac said:
Not really sure what point anyone is attempting to make, there is no comparison that can be drawn from where teams finished this year and how they will finish next year, particularly the clubs leaving the sjfa and moving to the eosfl. It is a new league, new teams to play, new players joining clubs, more support from the league, access (potentially) to better players than teams would've attracted should they have stayed in their sjfa league. In short, taking all this into consideration, who knows how the eosfl leagues will finish next year, who will beat who and what league position clubs will finish in..... That's what makes it exciting.... But to simply suggest clubs who played in poorer leagues won't progress or they won't add much quality due to their sjfa league finish or that the sjfa is still stronger based on where teams finished this year isn't valid for me. It is an unknown at this stage, untested and no conclusion/comparison can be drawn until around this time next year.
The east of scotland.is not a new league it was formed in 1931.theres new teams joining.been told by them to start they will run 2 comparable leagues with both winners playing a super bowl type game for a champion.doing this keeps both leagues at level 6.
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5 hours ago, Ginaro said:
Facilities - would surely improve for clubs looking to get an SFA licence and/or move up to the Lowland League. Could have tougher minimum standards for tier 6 in the future. Might mean some clubs have to spend less on the field, but once improvements are made it's a level playing field again.
Fixtures - the East of Scotland League produced an almost full set of fixtures for this season in July: https://twitter.com/KeltyHeartsFC/status/884751965758029824 - might be a bit harder with more teams but even if it was fixtures until the new year that would still be better than the Juniors.
Administration - in the east, don't see why the East of Scotland FA couldn't run the three or four leagues required if all teams were in the pyramid.
Funding - it would probably be diluted, but anything would be better than what the Juniors currently get. However any dilution could be offset if a fixture list helps bring in fans and sells more hospitality, or if an integrated pyramid attracts more publicity and sponsors.
Sponsorship - moving to marketing it as non-league rather than Junior might attract more sponsors, fixtures in advance also helps you plan sponsors lunches (rugby clubs in Scotland get a full set of fixtures which helps a lot with this).
Scottish (non-league/Junior) Cup - depends on what the remaining SJFA members want to do, but it could be turned into a non-league trophy for all teams outside the SPFL. Like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_FA_Trophy format - regionalise it for the first round, and add tier 5 teams at a later stage.
Pyramid benefits - the same as being in the current Junior pyramid, you get promotion/relegation but with the chance to go higher if you win the Superleague. A full pyramid would be much clearer for fans to understand and you wouldn't have the archaic Senior/Junior distinction.
The e.o.s s.o.s plus the lowland play for the south regional cup.ties are regional to start then all in.the 3 leagues put money in the pot to cover travel costs in the later stages.
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Think the leadership has to come from lithgie and boness.not to forget about all they a achived in the past.but what they can contribute and achive now.that goes for the others.2 leagues of 16/18.just think of how good that would be.
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Junior football, what is the future?
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No he's the chairman. but the show as you call it is run by a board made up of league members and independant members as well.