Nithsdale Wanderer
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3 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:
No sign of McKay, not even on the bench ... injured?
I have been concerned all season about the level of injuries sustained, particularly outwith games.
You want your players to train hard and well but not overdo it so they are fit and peak on matchday - surely ?
In his last interview Bartley talked about " players being leggy" during the game and seemed okay with that as they had been worked hard all week in training.
Another aspect of his Management that is lacking.
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On 29/12/2023 at 11:33, Fae_the_'briggs said:
but you can never tell what Marvin's thought process is regarding line ups.
How right you are !
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Can understand going 2 up front for this one , but they need supply. Gibson is by far the best at providing that, not Mckechnie. Why change it when it has been working ? Baffling !
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On 11/12/2023 at 19:49, the_palmy_pie said:
Jim McGuire is the special guest at Palmerston this weekend. He was a brilliant player for Queens and still speaks fondly about his time here.
Really nice guy, met him a few times and discussed his time with us.
Fast, entertaining , tricky winger for us. Remember his arrival at Palmy in Jan 89 - I think - scored a belter from 18 yds after swiveling on the edge of the box against Killie - the team he had just left.
Really good Cup tie that in which Tommy Sloan put us 2-1 up only for the diminutive Gardner Spiers to equalise with a header in front of the Killie fans at the Terregles Street end.
Got our own back in the replay though in which McGuire scored the only goal of the game to put us through. Did he also get sent off in that or was it Derek Cook ?
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13 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:
No probs @Nithsdale Wanderer I'm of that vintage too, and the club thread is fine for this (in my view).
Rab Thorburn was at Strathclyde University when I was there (75-79), he was doing Mech. Engineering. I'm sure I heard that he's a very successful businessman these days. If only he had a few scoobies to spare and was daft enough to plough them into Palmerston!
Real shame about Iain Reid - such a classy forward, scored some lovely goals for us, including finishing a lovely move in a 2-1 win at Brockville that earned us a brick through the bus window leaving the ground - sadly quite a few of those goals with his head which has no doubt contributed to his dementia. Tragic to hear.
Fondly remember that East Fife cup tie, they were in the top league that season and it was the very first Sunday that fitba had been allowed by the SFA/SFL so it drew a big crowd of 5,702 (according to Iain McCartney's fine book). That was before the days of segregation and fans used to change ends at half time but for some reason the EF fans thought they'd stay put in the Portland Rd for the second half - bad move lads, they got punted double quick time when the home fans arrived! Won that game with a John Dempster penalty - think maybe Derek Renton (ex Hearts) was fouled for the penalty? Went to the next round up at East End Park (also a Sunday game) and that drew 7,692 with The Pars also in the top league then - and alas my hero John Dempster managed to miss a sitter, clearing the bar somehow from the six yard line. East End Park was a cracking old time stadium back then.
We had a fine side then with guys like Allan Ball (rip), Iain McChesney, Billy Mclaren, Crawford Boyd, Jimmy Donald, John Dempster, Iain Reid and the late but great Tommy O'Hara who was a marvellously gifted ball player. Dempster was very much the penalty taker then and had a bullet of a right foot on him. Sad to hear that several of that side are having their struggles now - best wishes to all.
I was at EEP that day too and remember that miss by Dempster. In his defence, the pitch was a midden that day which surely contributed.
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I knows some think there should be a separate 'nostalgia' category but there isn't so I make no apology for the following which is totally relevant to QOS and certainly of interest to those of us of a certain generation.
Robert (Rab) Thorburn - who seems a thoroughly nice guy - has posted on Facebook that Ian Reid is suffering from dementia. A prolific scorer from the early seventies , always committed and although not the tallest could rise above tough tall defenders to get his head on the ball. He, and so many others, in the course of their work have provided us with pleasure, and entertainment over the years and we should not forget them. Wish him and his family well.
He was part of that team of the seventies who provided some memorable results against Dundee 6-0 (LC), St,Johnstone 3-2 (SC) and of course Ayr United 2-2 then 5-4 (SC) as well as a fantastic run in the League from being bottom in Nov '76 to finishing 6th I think , maybe 5th which doesn't sound much but considering where we were before then a remarkable achievement against some very good teams.
It was also mentioned that Mike Jackson, Billy McLaren and Ches - stalwarts of the Club -are all affected by illness at the moment. I could say much more about each one of them but will just share a memory of Billy McLaren for now. Jan 1973 home to East Fife (SC) - then a top Division team - crowd 5, 000 plus on the day that there was the first ever Sunday Market in the Car Park - Traffic chaos ! Anyway, East Fife had a great winger, Bertie Miller, who was the typical diminutive Scottish winger and he clashed with big Billy. Wisely he moved swiftly away but Billy , as you would imagine, pursued him across the pitch to let him know what was what ! The image of the tall McLaren chasing this tiny winger amused me at the time and has stayed with me to the present day.
These guys are heroes of mine, and I am sure of many others here, and I wish to thank them for the memories they have provided and wish them and there families well.
That group seemed to have a special bond evidenced, after their playing days, by meeting up for reunions on a regular bais.
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As long as he doesn't spend hours and hours doing it !
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5 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:
Just the one significant flaw in your team selection there ... Gibson ... never ... starts ...
That's one target Bartley HAS achieved ! He stated when he came in that Gibson - for one so young - was playing too many games .
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A tale of two interviews.
As referenced above, Bartley is frustrated at the mistakes being made time after time especially after he has been so thorough in his preparation. If only Football Management was so simple as telling players what to do and they do it every time !
The penny doesn't seem to drop with him that if he keeps doing the same and the players keep doing the same and it isn't working then he is making mistakes as well - not just them. As a Manager, in any field, you have to get to know your team members and how to motivate each one. Every individual is different and will learn in their own way. It is his job to find that out for each one and deliver accordingly.
It sounds like he is taking a ' one size fits all ' approach ' which is easy and frankly, lazy. I could well be wrong as I don't know what is happening on the inside as I am not there. I mention that as Bartley seems to me had a bit of a go in a very sneering, arrogant way during the Dundee Utd interview when Sandra mentioned some fans thought he had lost the dressing room. He responded along the lines of they don't see what happens on the inside , I do, inferring that they should all shut up as they don't know what they are talking about.
To the second interview from Jim McIntyre at Arbroath.
Arbroath are struggling too and he talked about a lot of similar things - preparation, game plans, instructions.
He recognises players will make mistakes - Bartley can't seem to grasp that - " players are not robots ... but when they do make mistakes it is the Managers job to HELP them". He also said " things happen during games and players need to think for themselves sometimes ". Heaven help any of our players that might do that !
Going back to understanding instructions McIntyre also said that a player might not play well but he shouldn't come off the pitch saying he didn't understand what he was being asked to do.
From these two interviews it is clear what the overall framework is for preparing and coaching a team to perform, but the key thing is the Managers approach to that and how best to deliver their message to each player in order to achieve maximum performance.
Bartley and McIntyre want to achieve the same things but they are very different characters. I have always enjoyed listening to McIntyre , comes across as a very positive guy though I am sure he can ' give it out ' when required. Even when winning - rare I know - Bartley rarely cracks a smile and it is business as usual. You need that positivity around the training ground to carry into games not a culture of fear of making a mistake.
Listening to McIntyres interview just reinforced to me that he would have been able to lift the whole place.
He spoke very fondly of his time at Palmerston too.
To sum up, Bartley seems incapable of changing therefore we need to make the change asap.
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It could well be Dodds as the potential list is diminishing. McIntyre to Arbroath. That's my top two already spoken for.
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1 hour ago, MazzyStar said:
A club that’s notoriously not very good at doing so (not that queens are much better).
Just keep an eye on the OS.
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That must be another mistake from a player as Bartley will have warned/told/shown them what to expect.
Investigation required as to there activities yesterday I think !
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39 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
The person who originally commented had accused me of having a go at disabled people a few days earlier (which of course I didn't) so he had another attempt at accusing me of something after the joke. I don't think the other poster who jumped on it was in any way offended, he just saw it as an opportunity to have a go at me. Bit of a strange episode tbh.
Factually incorrect on both counts. I made clear that I was not offended by either of your comments. You should read more carefully.
The Calendar one was in " poor taste " .
As I said earlier today, anyone with a love for Football and appreciation of what footballers do for our entertainment and the real risk they take in doing that would think twice before making such a comment.
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2 hours ago, Otis Blue said:
Think the way he works he probably wouldn't want a huge wage, but he'd want a bonus if he kept the club up. He's well off and at his age probably isn't bothered about the wage in particular, more about it being something that floats his boat so to speak.
Some guy ... at Notts County he made all the players lie down and walked across their backs with his boots on to show them the pain he expected them to go through for the club! Don't think he got that from the UEFA approved coaching manuals.
I suspect he wouldn't approve of marathon Gaming sessions either ! Maybe not the man for the job.
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1 hour ago, Otis Blue said:
Keeping on the "what if" theme this morning ... I see on the BBC that Neil Warnock spends a lot of time up in Dunoon where he has a house and fancies a short second-half of the season job in Scotland. Wonder if the BOD have seen this. No doubt he fits the heaps of experience requirement but I reckon that could be one roller-coaster wild sort of appointment, wouldn't be dull that's for sure. Linky ...
Mentioned that also a bit tongue- in - cheek. It certainly would be interesting !
More likely bound for Cappielow - if Imrie goes - given the link to Dunoon. He has also attended several games there and been made very welcome I understand.
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12 minutes ago, bod said:
I know it's been mentioned before but with Scott Brown actively training and looking to get back into football in Scotland, I take him. Yes he's looking predominantly as a manager but he's exactly what we need.
Bring him in as player/manager and he'd give us some much needed bite in midfield. Yes he's 38 but I'm sure he's still got a few 60mins left in him.
He is exactly what we need on the park, a leader and combative mid-fielder. Not so sure about Manager though. As we have just found out it is a gamble with young , novice Managers. Sometimes it will work, sometimes not. Who knows ?
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4 hours ago, Bairn in Exile said:
Bairns fan in peace.
Even although we are only talking about football, we are all passionate supporters else we wouldn’t be taking time out of our days to post on P&B. When your club is badly underperforming compared to recent history, it hurts like hell (I’ve followed the Bairns for over 50 years, I know). This can lead some fans to seek humour with “edgy” topics and posts (been there, done that) and while just trying to lighten the mood, it can inadvertently cause offence to some other posters who maybe have family history. I am sure that no harm was meant by the Alzheimer’s post but because of the doom and gloom currently surrounding your club, this can make fans more touchy than normal and they then lash out at fellow fans, maybe posters who they got on really well with on this forum in the past.
Time for all you Doonhamers to take a deep breath and take a chill pill.
You will shortly have a new manager. You will not get relegated. You will remain a full-time club. Life will go on.
I get what you are saying but I would have responded in the same manner to the post in question in good times or bad. If it is in poor taste, it is in poor taste anytime.
Thankfully, so far , I have not been personally affected nor has anyone in my family .
My response was made more with regard to the ' Football Family '.
If you consider the Legends of the game who have recently passed away - and consider the hundreds , perhaps even more, less well known players not reported on - I think that is something that anyone who really has a love of Football should be sensitive to and concerned about. These are human beings with families - not just footballers - who provide entertainment for us over the years.
My comments were neither a form of lashing out or ' being touchy' but out of respect for footballers , the wider community and their families.
I would suggest anyone unaware should read Alex McLeish's piece in the media today.
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25 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
Something quite ironic about "Heart, Desire, Passion" being slapped in front of our players and then an Alzheimer Scotland badge below, because they've sure as hell forgot that part of being a footballer.
That's in poor taste given the (potential) link between Dementia and Footballers that has been so well publicised in recent years.
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MB. He wanted it out there or else he would not have done it in first place.
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18 minutes ago, Fae_the_'briggs said:
Harking back to earlier posts about Marvin staying but bringing in an old head as Assistant, that is perhaps something that should have been considered when he was first appointed but he was stuck with Grant Murray. I would think Marvin would have to have a say on who the "old head" was, he needs someone who he respects and can work with. He must have contacts in the game to find someone to fit the bill. We could even head down the experienced DoF route leaving Marvin as Head Coach, maybe a bit OTT considering the situation we're in and level were playing at, it would probably also incur more cost. It's maybe too far down the line now to save Marvin's job anyway given what he's said about some players' attitude, even though a few could do with buckling down and accepting some home truths. A shame if it ends in acrymony, he was an exciting and popular appointment at the time.
It's gone beyond that after Saturday.
Even if it hadn't , it wouldn't work or be acceptable to Bartley. I think one of his major weaknesses is his unwillingness to listen to others. Unless ,of course , you are an expert in Gaming injuries !
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This one is for Marvin And Steve Clarke says he didn't smile too much during the post-match lap of honour "because I was still fuming about the third goal we conceded". (Daily Record)
Players make mistakes at all levels - deal with it !
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Neil Warnock, 74, says he has received numerous offers to manage in Scotland and has revealed that he would love a "backs to the wall" type job should he ever make the move north of the border. (Hibs Observer via Football Scotland)
How about it ? !
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Employment law and contracts will determine any plan of action and subsequent announcement. That takes time, just need to be patient.
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22 minutes ago, parsboi said:
No way can he survive with any credibility after that interview. It’s clear where the problem is at your club - him.
He’s been there nearly a full year, and had two transfer windows. So be has to take responsibility for the players that are there, they’re his choices.
His public condemnation of half his team there in this rant says to me he can’t manage his emotions. He’s chosen to go into slate the player mode at a time when he needs them the most. Whether it’s true or not about the examples of lack of professionalism, it’s up to him as manager to work out how to deal with the faults. If they aren’t listening to his instruction that’s totally down to him and his management methods.
He actually sounds like an old school manager with this stuff which is what really surprised me. And all this patter about being a manager being all encompassing and the amount you work and how hard he works - total crap. Hours worked does not equal success. Effective use of time does. You can work hard but you also have to set an example to your team, including time off for yourself and your own well-being.
That’s not to say he doesn’t care - it’s almost the opposite, he’s been swallowed up by how big the job is. He looks utterly shattered and sounds end of his tether. Either he has to quit or your board needs to put him out his misery.
Spot on.
Do you think Jim Leishman at 70 could still do a job or is he happy being the Provost of the Kingdom ?
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Queens v Annan
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Agreed.
Looks like we have turned a corner in last few weeks with wins and scored a few cracking goals - Gibson and Connelly to the fore - and then he benches both for a Home game to 2nd bottom team who are leaking goals.
Makes no sense whatsoever.