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6 hours ago, EdTheDuck said:
Your unrelenting pish has much the same effect on the cerebrum as blunt force trauma; try saying something different other than 'prove it prove it prove it' while simultaneously reciting, ad infinitum, unproven Numberwangs from Pittodrie Street.
Sums up everything I've read for a year. Pittodrie and Links naesayers putting the onus on fans to show other options rather than the club. Anything fans say isn't good enough and anything the club says with nothing to back it up is pure truth. Not a jot of evidence, couldn't be less transparent, what Milne's always wanted. Nothing suspicious at all say the Dons forumers.
Why would you knock down the Merkland for a new stand, and include that in the cost?
How do you possibly come up with a capacity of 2500 in the 2 new stands along the side?
How the f**k would that cost the same, gross or net, as a new stadium and training facilities at Kingsford?
Nothing to see here say the Dons forumers.
Meanwhile the numbers at Kingsford, from the cost, to the money that will be raised, to the mortgage it leaves, work out as bang on the only option. The vast majority of Aberdeen fans are fools, like the **** are with their messiahs. Hearts and probably Hibs fans would be running rings around Milne.
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2 hours ago, fatshaft said:
I post elsewhere on football generally, hence majority of my posts on this forum over 10 years are here. What would interest you is the number of "fans" on, for example, DonsTalk who just popped up on the stadium thread and nowhere else to slag off the new stadium, on a DONS forum.
What's also interesting is that "COYR" has done the same here, and nearly every other detractor doesn't even support the Dons.
I tend to go to games and speak about football at the game when not yapping random shite. I've little interest in discussing football on the internet with bores like yourself who drive to games and have no one to talk to.
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32 minutes ago, Illgresi said:
Evidence of availability of the land, price of the land, geophysical survey of the land showing its suitability for construction, transportation plans, a rough architectural design, and a total cost estimate.
Anything less is just crying into a pillow screaming 'what about the alternatives?!?'
A stadium across the road at King's Links was estimated at £42m in 2009. Rebuilding 3 stands at Pittodrie was estimated at £30m for 12,000 seats, which we've already been through.
The more recent King's Links cost estimates they gave when discounting the site as unaffordable, showed the cost due to the conditions of the area as actually only around £1m.
Part of Aberdeen council went along with the word of the club and their legal argument that it's up to the business to decide how much space they need. So they're able to discount the available land at King's Links, and anywhere, by saying they need way more than is there. Another part of Aberdeen council, and those that voted against it, argued the club were being inflexible and therefore not complying with the city centre first test, that they should build the stadium where there is space.
They also argued land could be allocated and made affordable through the LDP, rather than steamrolling it through a planning application, such as the swathes of land pictured. Could have even tied it in with turning the shitey pitches into a training centre in an area that needs it a la Man City, rather than the bizarre Man City for rich locals that we're doing.
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13 minutes ago, Illgresi said:
If you're seriously suggesting there are alternatives then the burden of proof is on you. If you can't provide this information than I'm afraid there's really nothing more to discuss.
What proof do you need that there are other alternatives?
They've also worked back from the answer 'Kingsford' to show it's the only possible site.
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11 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:
Shuttle buses and park and rides to get to a football stadium
All that map does is show just how fucking far away it is from the townThey just don’t get it and never will.
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6 minutes ago, Rodhull said:
I understand the point being made but comparing the facilities available for a stadium that hasn't even started being built and an NFL stadium that's been there 15 years doesn't seem apt. Especially as that ground is more than three times the size.
Dave Cormack and/or the guy he brought on board worked with Atlanta United I think. He did an interview on RedTV talking about it but there vision and ideas is basically how Americans do the sports day out with car barbecues thing. I'm really not sure how transferable it is to Aberdonian people and standing just off a bypass.
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When I was a lad a tiny wee lad
My mother said to me
Go see the Dons the glorious Dons
Sev'n miles from Aberdeen
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1 hour ago, milton75 said:
Compare and contrast that with going to a shopping centre like Silverburn or Braehead: Hordes of mouth-breathing automatons, stumbling from their cars with their overweight children, wandering into the same 60 shops that can be found in shopping malls up and down the country. Sometimes going to these places for a day out! "Chanelle, let's take the kids to Frankie and Benny's for a plate of microwaved dog meat".
This really isn't far from the experience of what out there would be.
If you look closely you can see the tower blocks where Pittodrie..King Street...town..is.
Looking at that the club will be totally unrecognisable. Also shows how useful the AWPR will be for those who actually live in the city...
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4 minutes ago, fatshaft said:
As one of the councillors pointed out today, while the team is "Aberdeen", the catchment area and fanbase spreads over a larger area than any club (except maybe Ross County). From Laurencekirk to Peterheid to Elgin and beyond you have fans travelling every week, to that end there will be good transport links, far better than now. Doesnt matter how often you try to spout that a location hemmed in by the north sea and King Street is good, it simply isn't. So yes some lazy b*****ds who've been used to walking from their front door to the ground will now lose that, well fucking diddums, for every loser there's a winner, that's just how it is, and they've had it good a long time,
Ignore this guy Hibernia. He's said on numerous occasions he thinks everyone drives to games and nobody takes buses.
He confuses transport links with public transport links. His face should be a picture when Kingsford has 10,000 empty seats.
Thousands currently walk. Thousands only have one convenient bus to take. These are the type of people who would be far more likely to drop off than the drivers and passengers who only have to sit in their car for 20 minutes and park next to the ground, who only make up 55-60% of the attendance.
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14 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said:
Leaving Pittodrie isn't 'throwing away our history.' Hibs fans unable to understand that our history isn't tied to Pittodrie or one location within the city, like it is with Hibs and Easter Road/Leith.
A mental narrative that is being repeated until its true now.
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Just now, Dons_1988 said:
As I say, I have no idea how close we’ve ever been to being forced to move for Europe but just stating that the claim isn’t completely without merit.Aye, teams do have to move. But no team with anything near our facilities has ever had to move.
I remember one of the myths years ago was about a UEFA safety certificate or inspection. Most of the historic stadiums abroad are dilapidated like section Y but all over their ground.
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6 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
Couldn’t tell you far it’s ever gone but pittodrie doesn’t comply with UEFA regulations and we get special dispensation to use it every year.
No idea how close it’s ever been to having to move but there are examples (Atalanta this season) of clubs being denied the use of their own ground.I mind some clever clogs trying to use that as proof we'd have to move, along with Apollon I think.
Atalanta
And Apollon's stadium was closed because it was falling down even by Cyprus standards.
We have the RDS, 20 corporate boxes and a full functioning all seated all covered British standard stadium.
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1 hour ago, TrebleTwenty said:
Aye so you have. You have done feck all..
Who can argue with that intellect.
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3 minutes ago, TrebleTwenty said:
Or it could be, the doom and gloom merchants, the 4/5 same merchants on each dons forum who are very loud, bulling and abusive. That are quite happy to slag the club and the majority of fans who are behind the idea. I mean why don't you so called dons fans get a protest going at the games, show your disgust at the club, get your point accross in a orginzed manner. Or are you just going to hide on forums speaking shite, liking each others posts, giving it large?
Have you seen the abuse anyone against it takes on any other forum or social media or are your blinkers that strong? You even threw in a so called Dons fans yourself.
I've investigated everything myself, along with many other doom and gloom merchants. I've spoken to people from the club about it in person and online. I've shared what I know with the uninformed masses who think it's a 10 minute bus journey from the city centre / there will be free buses from all over Aberdeen / 5k will fit in the supporters bar / there can be steep stands / parking will be better.
I've held up protest banners at Pittodrie before and they last 5 seconds before stewards come running from all angles and you get chucked out. What do you suggest? Do you think the club are going to bin it?
The majority of fans are behind it for many reasons. It's a lost cause. I'd be happy for the club to move out and a new one to pop up in the east end.
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11 hours ago, Hibernia said:
Because, as it has been said before, this is irreversible.
If you do this because "it seemed like the only option at the time", then you might well come to regret it if it goes awry and you then learn that there were actually other options available.
Build the training facilities, they are needed. Wait 5-10 years (Pittodrie will not collapse in that time) and seek a properly adequate new site for a new stadium. Simple as that
The best outcome would be the training facilities are built soon and fast. Fans get the chance to see them, actually travel there and preferably take the bus. Realise what a fucking terrible idea it is and don't buy any scam memberships or whatever it is they're now trying to punt to fund it.
The fans being taken along for a ride by the fatshaft/Dunty/Milnes are the ones I feel sorry for when they realise what they had with a city centre location. But the overall Aberdeen support is pretty shite. They don't have any fight or soul left anymore.
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4 hours ago, EdTheDuck said:
Mendacity noun untruthfulness.
synonyms:
lying, untruthfulness, dishonesty, deceit, deceitfulness, deception, dissembling, insincerity, disingenuousness, hypocrisy, fraud, fraudulence, double-dealing, two-timing, duplicity, perjury, perfidy
Westhill shopping centre has an M&S, A Costa, a Home Bargains, a Co-op, a Domino’s, a chippy, 3 Indian/Chinese carry-outs and the Key West (a pub with a capacity of maybe 100). There’s also a plethora of card & gift shops…
There’s a Holiday Inn (hasn’t been the Westhill Inn for 10 years) across the road with an American Sports Bar themed public bar that might hold 50.
Not far off there’s a Tesco and a Brewers Fare style restaurant.
The other end of town, actually in Elrick 2 miles away, is the Broadstraik Inn restaurant. About 2 miles in the other direction there’s the Fourmile House, another restaurant. The Red Star is 3.5 miles (1 Hr walk away) and is now Da Giorgio Trattoria
Anyone suggesting these are pubs in the style of the Scotia, Pittodrie, Bobbin Mill, Red Lion, Archibald Simpson’s etc etc and so forth is probably the sort of rustic dimwit whose only dealing with the city is mendacity
Let's face it...it's a stadium for posh arses, which is a fair chunk of the Aberdeen support.
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7 hours ago, Dunty said:
It doesn't matter how many explanations are made to you, you live in your own little bubble where the Sims are real and you can build what you like without having to worry about cost or modern building regulations.
Your entire wealth of knowledge is based off your incorrect interpretations of the incorrect interpretations of some boy on Donstalk who thinks the RDS is built where it is so there's an equivalent sized concourse behind it
By the way, another of your mistakes is about Tynecastle not being allowed if it was built now. That's nothing to do with the footprint of the stands or the angle of the seating.
QuoteAlso, to save me quoting another one of your posts, Aberdeen could not build a stadium with an open terrace. I actually thought that was the worst of your comments, until you said let's build a stand like St Mirren's.
You can have terracing. f**k knows why you keep saying you can't. I didn't say build a stand like St Mirren's, I was using that as a marker for a stand of the capacity mentioned.
You still can't give a price or rationale for anything. I was right long ago when I said there was no point discussing it and I'd be wasting my time.
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Genuinely the image of the Kingsford fan zone in the minds of all its supporters.
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17 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said:
Don’t worry, there’s also the “Red cafe” (capacity of 100) and the outdoor fanzone which will be a pleasant experience through the Aberdeenshire winter.There are still people saying one of the benefits is the weather and getting away from the sea.
I look forward to these people freezing to death, or sliding back to Kingsford trying to walk back to Kingswell's park and ride.
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31 minutes ago, shootingboots said:
Unlikely. That was built/in the process of being built 10 years ago.
That's why I still generously plunked on an extra £4m or so.
I'm all ears to Dunty's explanation as to why it would cost more like 30 or even 40 or fockin 50 million as claimed, for 2 stands that size and capacity.
I will personally come back to this thread and apologise in 2021 if Kingsford costs less than 70 million.
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6 hours ago, Dunty said:
This from the guy who thinks we can build a brand new stadium for £20m, have just 15,000 seats, then have open terraces to try and get the capacity up.
What do you even think is wrong?
Apart from saying brand new stadium instead of 2 new stands to make it sound harder, your trademark move.
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6 hours ago, Dunty said:
This from the guy who thinks we can build a brand new stadium for £20m, have just 15,000 seats, then have open terraces to try and get the capacity up.
I think we can build a stand the same size as Hearts for around the same price as them, and a stand the same size as St Mirren's for the around the same price as them.
You thought terraces were not allowed, that they had to be 1 to 1 seating space, and decreasing the angle of the stands increased the footprint.
You can't even give a price never mind any rationale for the cost of 2 new stands, just go back to your same incorrect points. I'd give it a rest if I were you.
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Kingsford supporters seem to live in fucking fantasy land with a 9k capacity supporters bar, good weather to hang about in and 500 extra buses to serve all areas of Aberdeen to Kingsford like the city centre.
This is like moving Celtic or Rangers to Belshill, but much worse. Fuckin Garlogie. Pre match pints in a Premier Inn. Jesus christ.
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1 minute ago, sjc said:
I'll look forward to 3000 Celtic/Rangers* fans shitting and pissing in his garden on matchdays......every cloud and all that!
Should actually be some laugh when either of those turn up in Westhill. Those who were so offended at claims of bad behaviour from football fans will be in hiding.
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The Aberdeen Mega-Hyper New Stadium Thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Which 5 'pubs' are these?