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25 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said:
I backed it for similar reasons to most others, I wanted it to work for the club and recognised we need a new training and stadium solution after years of neglect from the board. Then I studied every document of the plans and saw that none of it added up, particularly the transport and matchday fan facilities. I’m happy to be proved wrong if/when the place opens but I can’t see it being an appealing experience, particularly for the 5-8000 that will use the shuttle buses every game.
Check the wishlist the DST has asked fans for. Hundreds of people asking for steep stands, despite them physically not being able to be any steeper.
Others asking for a tram or train.
Given also the widespread belief it takes 10 minutes on a bus and at least 50% thinking they will be the ones that get in the warm bar, it should be utterly calamitous once reality dawns.
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6 hours ago, Illgresi said:
1. King's Links is not for sale.
King's Links available land - 4 hectares
Easter Road - 2.8 hectares
Ashton Gate - 3.8 hectares
What's the next excuse?
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13 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:
If ACC turn down planning permission for Kingsford, what makes anyone campaigning for the redevelopment of Pittodrie think they’d suddenly bend over backwards to accommodate the club staying where they are. Have they not already said that they are against any development of the kings links because it’s land for the common good or something like that.
The Strategic Development Planning Authority back in February 2017, giving more hope to Pittodrie than they've ever given to Kingsford.
It has not been articulated sufficiently as to why such a scale of facilities is required and also the need for it to be co-located with a stadium. Redeveloping Pittodrie is viewed as in conflict with the existing residential use of the area even though the stadium has been in existence for over 100 years. Reasons against developing Kings Links are the loss of the golf course and land being Common Good. All development will encounter issues that required solutions and negotiation, many more complex than the above.
You'd think they actually want a city centre stadium but it's never been tried.
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2 hours ago, Tartantony said:
This thread and the entire situation pretty much sums up Scottish football. Spend 25 years moaning and bitching that your club have a shite budget only to reject the plan that gives you the budget because you can only have 2 pints instead of 5 before the game.
This stadium is a no brainer, genuinely mind boggling that any Aberdeen fan can be against it.Celtic should move 7 miles away to a place with no public transport and 4 hotel/restaurant pubs. Your own 430 capacity stadium bar. Increase your crowds. Give Brendan the budget he needs to compete in Europe.
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2 hours ago, badgerthewitness said:
Does anyone have a deadline for when UEFA's tolerance will expire, with regards to the pitch size at Pittodrie?
If we got to the groups, if they were feeling extraordinarily harsh, they could make us move because we don't have the required administrative or VIP space. Very unlikely considering we managed to host a last 32 game against Bayern 10 years ago so there's obviously ways around it. The pitch size is a non issue and clubs all over the place don't have the required size, as long as they have the very minimum which we do. We're the minor celebrities in the qualifying round draws, as they mention every time, having won the Super Cup.
We're not going to qualify for the groups with our current level of investment, player and manager so it doesn't really matter.
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2 hours ago, lubo_blaha said:
Jesus Christ
It's a wonder that they have shopping centres, a train station, a bus station, restaurants, pubs, cinemas, theatres, museums and hotels in the centre of Aberdeen when not everyone lives there. It's almost as if city centres are areas where people from surrounding areas congregate as you can easily get there from any direction.
The majority of our support live within walking distance of Pittodrie or can get there on one public transport journey within an hour. This is absorbed within existing services within Aberdeen as it is a city. The club anticipate around 400 people will walk to Kingsford and a handful will use existing transport links. The infrastructure isn't there because Kingsford is in the middle of f*cking nowhere.
The majority of our support will face a longer journey to Kingsford than they do at Pittodrie. Not everyone, just most of them.
It's fucking unbelievable, and someone said he'd been talking sense on the subject for years
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21 minutes ago, Worktheshaft said:
How do you Aberdeen fans plan on getting to the stadium if Kingsford goes ahead?
Getting a bus into town for 40 minute bus out, or driving to a park and ride and getting a shuttle bus to the ground
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31 minutes ago, Dunty said:
It you look at similar sized new football stadiums around Europe that have been built in recent years, £40m seems about right, and I'm pretty sure the club have gone to the effort of actually working out the cost.
You've made up a capacity, made up a cost, made up what the crowds would be, and anyone who doesn't believe you must be on drugs. And when questioned on it you just use some emojis.
You're either off your head or trolling.
£40m doesn't seem about right at all. A lot of them cost more than that, in countries where it's cheap as chips, a couple of years ago and on footprints not much larger than the stadium itself. The 2 new super corporate Kingsfordish stands of 17,000 at Ashton Gate cost £45m!
"You've made up a capacity" no I've used the actual capacity of the stands in question
"made up a cost" again
"made up what the crowds would be" yes you corrected me that crowds at Pittodrie are currently larger. My kingsford estimate is based on what crowds drop by at the slightest inconvenience or change at Pittodrie. The laughable lack of choice, the waiting, the time on buses (40 minutes from town is not a short jaunt), parking in a fucking park and ride 2 or 10 miles away will UNDOUBTEDLY lead to many many people not going and anyone who says otherwise is indeed an idiot and probably doesn't go to football anyway.
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1 minute ago, Dunty said:
Then why are you saying the club need to raise £35m "not including the cost of a training ground" when it does include the cost of a training ground?
If you're not including the training ground then knock £10m off it.
The club are saying it will cost £40m for a 12.5 hectares development. Car parks. Roads. All the infrastructure. A footbridge. Road and pavement alterations all the way to Kingswells. A 20,000 seater stadium with mass amounts of corporate and community facilities. Giant stadium TVs. Corners. Bars. Cafes. Shops.
You don't question that at all, but you repeatedly question £20m for 2 basic stands on their own footprint of 9,000 and nothing else
You also don't question £28,000,000 of free money from 'sponsors, grants etc etc' so I'm sure you have no problem with us raising the money for Pittodrie.
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1 minute ago, Dunty said:
The training ground is part of the development at Kingsford.
Where is this £20m cost coming from? It's just a figure you've made up.
Bigger crowds? In a smaller stadium? Try again.
How do you know crowds will be smaller at Kingsford? This is just more shite that you're making up to try and justify a ridiculous idea of spending millions on decreasing the size of the stadium and future income.
"The training ground is part of the development at Kingsford."
I didn't say it wasn't.
"Where is this £20m cost coming from? It's just a figure you've made up."
Give us your estimate of a stand the same as Hearts which just cost £14m and a 1,200 capacity stand.
"Bigger crowds? In a smaller stadium? Try again"
Seriously biting my tongue here, but if a stadium is 18,000 capacity with 14,000 crowds, and another has a capacity of 20,000 but 11,000 crowds, which one has bigger crowds.
"How do you know crowds will be smaller at Kingsford? This is just more shite that you're making up to try and justify a ridiculous idea of spending millions on decreasing the size of the stadium and future income."
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Quick reminder that the club's own sums of Kingsford have £28,000,000 coming from 'sponsors, donations, naming rights, grants, debentures etc. etc.' thus apparently only requiring a £7.1m loan which we will just be able to meet the repayment of if we maintain the same average crowds as now.
That's with them still going with the £50m cost all in, despite all the new additions and requirements they have conceded.
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34 minutes ago, Dunty said:
Yeh, your plan is to spend £20m on reducing the capacity of Pittodrie and therefore the club's ability to make money? And it doesn't include the cost of a separate training ground.
And we're the crack smokers?
Your plan is to spend what will eventually be, discounting the sale of Pittodrie and not including the cost of a separate training ground, £35m+ on a full stadium at Kingsford, with all the inconvenience of the location, which will blooter the club's ability to make money.
I think £20m on two new stands and bigger crowds at Pittodrie is a better idea. Maybe you're right and having small crowds at Kingsford is a better idea. But we'll be able to have 10,000 empty seats which would be better than an 18k capacity Pittodrie. Clever.
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4 hours ago, fatshaft said:
Perhaps read it again, I'm talking about the suggestion of redevloping Pittodrie, ALL of Pittodrie, for a little more than Hearts just paid for one stand. If that's "spouting off about Hearts", then no wonder this topic is full of so much shite
Another Duntyish crack smoker.
We're talking about redeveloping the south stand and a very, very small main stand. Not ALL of Pittodrie.
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4 hours ago, HibsFan said:
I honestly read this and waited for the punchline to come at the end of this, it never did.
“I live outside of Aberdeen so if it cuts my journey time then I’m alright, who cares about decades upon decades of history and my team staying in its spiritual home among its local community?”
The Dons fans who are pro Kingsford absolutely deserve the fucking train wreck that this stadium move would be, I just feel sorry the ones who are smart enough to see through Milne.It's almost clear to me that there should be a separate club around that Kingsford area for the out of towners to go to football there. Drive from their homes outside of Aberdeen and indulge in the full modern football theatre experience next to a bypass. That seems exactly what half the support want. The other half should have another team in Aberdeen to be able to go the pub and walk to games at 2:55.
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5 hours ago, fatshaft said:
Can you do a mock up of this to current building regs like Tom Widdows has done on DT? Be good to see the comparison. Cheers.
He's used a 3 metre wide grass run off and 5 metre wide track. It only needs 6 metres at the side and 7.5 behind each end for the very top category games. He's also knocked down and rebuilt the Merkland which isn't required or mentioned in any safety certificates. This has taken around 3000 off his estimate alone.
He's used the steepest gradient permitted which, as I explained, means it reaches the maximum height quickly and reduces the capacities of the stands. Unsure why a professional architect would suffer such a failure of logic.
He has used the minimum widths like Tynecastle.
His repasting onto a 10 pixels picture of Pittodrie makes it very hard to work out where he's tried to locate things. It looks like he's moved the front of the south stand back 6 or 7 metres which takes off more thousands.
He's used the same access that I would say behind the south stand, although he seems to use Duntyish language to make the most basic things seem complicated.
Why his main stand is 2 rows is anyone's guess with the poor quality picture. I'm not sure he understands some things. He's repeatedly referenced the RDS being built where it is to have such a large concourse behind it for evacuations. It was built where it is because that's where behind the goal is...
Anyway, you've got right there a 99.99999% accurate map of Pittodrie with an approved and built 7220 capacity stand, with indoor concourses. I asked far more qualified architects about it and they see nothing wrong with it at all.
Your turn, what current building regs do you and Dunty see preventing it?
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7 hours ago, Dunty said:
It's funny how professional architects have looked at it, some independent from the club, and believe a 14,000 rebuilt capacity at Pittodrie seems about right. But you're willing to ignore all that and say we can do stuff that isn't possible and anyone disagreeing with you is an idiot. You're some boy like.
"This isn't up for debate". Really? You're just making random shite up - "we'll build this stand here, we'll stick it underground if we have to, it'll cost this much".
I'll leave you to it. I don't think I'm capable of dumbing myself down to your level.
I’ll tell the architects and engineers of some of the biggest buildings in the world that Dunty and some shed designer from donstalk have it spot on, the space there isn’t actually there, and you can’t build on a hill, or whatever your point is.
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47 minutes ago, Dunty said:
So it's 18,000 now? Not a hope of building anywhere close to that without *increasing the footprint*.
You couldn't build Hearts main stand where the south is. You would get a 4,000 capacity stand there if you're lucky due to modern building regulations and no matter how much you deny it the pitch needs widened.
Your 1200 capacity main means we're left with stadium holding less than 14,000. Brilliant. Sounds like a great plan. And £20m to do it? Yep, no idea why we're wasting our time with Kingsford when we could be doing that.
I can't believe you're really struggling this much. Surely you're trolling?
18,000 now? First post
On 12/18/2017 at 06:20, COYR said:16,884 for those 3 stands and if you got 6 rows of seating in a new stand on the other side that would be over 18,000. Lots of space opened up on the south side and the Merkland corner for fans to queue, mill about or evacuate and the necessary space for vehicles.
Must be a much cheaper option too.
"You couldn't build Hearts main stand where the south is. You would get a 4,000 capacity stand there if you're lucky due to modern building regulations"
This isn't up for debate. This is the Hearts stand where the south stand currently is. Don't say the height shite again which I already explained.
What modern building regulations does Hearts stand not comply with?
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8 minutes ago, Dunty said:
Your explanation has the incorrect current capacities of each stand for a start, you think we can build a 16,000 stadium and just add loads of terracing to it to up the capacity, you haven't explained how you plan to rebuild the main stand without increasing the footprint, and you plucked a cost for it out of thin air.
Utter delusion.
It's the final capacities from the June 2017 safety certificate. Please point me to the correct capacities.
I don't know why you're talking about increasing the footprint of the main stand. The capacity would be well reduced and only 6 rows, 4.8 metres deep, would hold 1200. What problem are you seeing here?
"you think we can build a 16,000 stadium and just add loads of terracing to it to up the capacity" 18,000 and you could convert some to increase it. What's the problem?
"and you plucked a cost for it out of thin air" from the cost of Hearts stand, since that's what it is.
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On 1/8/2018 at 12:25, topcat(The most tip top) said:
If Dunty doesn’t turn out to be a PR man in the pay of Stuart Milne I’ll be surprised, not shocked but surprised
I'm convinced it's either this or someone that really, really can't grasp anything, and read too much second hand expert opinion on Aurora fansites.
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1 hour ago, Dunty said:
If you believed the shite you posted, you would defend it. You choosing to leave it is probably your first sensible post.
I explained it twice, with a fucking drawing of the actual map of Pittodrie and you still don't get it.
You're an idiot min.
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1 hour ago, Salvo Montalbano said:3 hours ago, Dunty said:Terraces are not "perfectly fine" in the Scottish Premiership. The rules were relaxed about six years ago where clubs were allowed to introduce safe standing, but you have to apply for a licence to your local council. Currently all the top flight stadia are licenced as all seated grounds. Celtic eventually were granted permission by Glasgow City council.
Again, "they do this in XXXX country" is irrelevant, as 2:1 or 3:1 is not something that will be allowed here. The provision is 1:1. Aberdeen are not going to build a 15,000 capacity stadium but add on 5,000 through standing.If Queen of the South were to be promoted (or anyone else who has a terraced section), they would keep that open, they wouldn't need to get "safe standing". Terraces can get a safety certificate no bother as long as there are plenty entrances and exits, plenty of barriers and ways of ensuring that accurate counts can be made to avoid overcrowding. The council licence stuff is a nonsense put out by the people who make and install those rail seats.
You're spot on. There are no requirements in any SPFL league now bar following the green guide. Celtic's is 1:1 because they don't have a step between each rail like the ones with higher ratios.
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6 hours ago, Dunty said:
So you're cutting the capacity of the south, keeping the pitch the same size even though it's not Uefa compliant, and bizarrely think you can increase the size of the main stand. Would love to know how you think you'll be managing that. Building outwards - you'll need to increase the footprint. Building upwards - expect a lot of rejections from residents.
Also, where's the £20m price tag come from? Did you just make up a random number?
Except the stadium won't be in Belgium, it'll be Scotland, where safe standing is 1:1 like at Celtic Park.
You've nae got a clue min. You can't follow posts at all. Everyone else can. I'm not wasting my time.
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10 minutes ago, EdTheDuck said:
Yes you do.
Your 16, 844 includes the Mainer as it is with around 4,000 seats. You're knocking it down which takes you back to about 13,000. A re-build with just 2,000 would be a capacity of 15,000 of thereabouts.6,200+3300+3500+2000)
The 16,884 is without a main stand. 6220 in the RDS, 7290 in the south (a la Hearts who have used the minimum row and aisle widths), 3374 in the Merkland.
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1 minute ago, EdTheDuck said:
As someone pointed out earlier in the thread it would be possible to re-route Pittodrie Street to accommodate a deeper re-built Mainer so that the capacity could easily be between 18,000-19,000 without doing much of anything at the King Street End.
The attitude among so many is almost typical dour North Easter which often translates as 'Can Do' being an alien concept, if 'them that kens' say no then the sheeple fall into line like obedient fucking serfs.
Furthermore, the neglect of Pittodrie is definitely the fault of (at least) some of the board room incumbents so if there's addition costs they should spring for it.
IMO
There wouldn't be any need to do anything to the streets or increase the footprint etc to reach the capacities mentioned.
A far easier way to increase the capacity for domestic fixtures would be to make part of the new stands terracing/safe standing which I think holds 1.6 x as many people. Then bang, you've got the magic 20,000+ for Old Firm (
Stewartie) fixtures.
All a bit like KV Mechelen
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The Aberdeen Mega-Hyper New Stadium Thread
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He's an idiot who wants the stadium close to his house. There's nothing more to it.