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2 hours ago, bluearmyfaction said:
I think he sort of has a point, the two Buckie games against Strathspey were not "football" games in the sense of a team looking to win a match, the way the fixture list ran out meant that Buckie basically knew they just had to run the score up; they weren't the sort of games where you could hang on to a 1-0, the risk was different. It's obviously not everything and sometimes the luck of the draw works in your favour, and you get the occasional instance like when Weymouth had their entire team walk out midway through a season so they had the youth team getting dismantled for a few months. So I don't blame him for letting off steam, especially when it was all pointless from a pyramid perspective.
I find it odd though that a) you need a posh liceence for matches with crowds of a few hundred and b) the play-off place doesn't go to the next team down.
The crowds are pretty immaterial bronze license sets standards in a number of areas of a club’s operation not just its ground
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54 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
In my experience when having to find one, it was a matter of a mate of a mate who agreed to do it, who was about 100 miles away. The local surgery wasn't interested. He wrote the letter and that was enough, it was also all he ever did.
Completely pointless, but a box that had to be ticked at the time.
But not good enough for bronze where you need to have a doctor present at every home game
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11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
In my limited experience, smaller clubs will talk a Doctor who supports the team in to doing it.
Yes that is the case if you are lucky but there is now a shortage of GPs in many areas. They already work long hours and less are willing to become involved. Can also require payment which often is expensive.
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
You don't actually need a Doctor at every game, a medically qualified person like a paramedic or nurse will do, but you need a doctor signed up and in the background.
You need to have a doctor at every home game for bronze - you can only have a paramedic to deputise occasionally if doctor not available - they can’t deputise on a regular basis
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1 hour ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
From BBC
However, Buckie claim they asked for a period of grace for four items on 23 April and "we were granted derogations for three items - floodlights, safety officer and diversity and inclusion".
"One item - medical – has been deferred until the 15th of May, but the club has committed to resolving the matter by 10th May," they say.
Floodlights; strange one.
Safety officer; thought every club from youth up has one of these.
Diversity and inclusion; wtf is that about.
Medical; hearing a lot about that lately, doctor required this at a time when GP practices are understaffed.
More meat on the bones is needed.
So it's nothing to do with actual playing a game if football, not demeaning any of the requirements just fed up with the shit-show our game is.
Bronze you need 300 lux floodlights at bronze (200 for entry)
Doctor required to be present at each home game
Safety Officer needs to be professionally qualified - entry level anyone can do it
Equality and Diversity - you need published policies and also give some actual evidence of what steps you have taken
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1 hour ago, Marten said:
Apparently it's possible to apply for a period of grace as long as a plan is put in place. So not neccesarily.
Yes grace periods will cover things getting definitely put in place in short order - you won’t get 1 or 2 years grace in all likelihood
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9 minutes ago, Matty-RCFC said:
What is actually required for a bronze license?
Lots of things - some of which may prove difficult in short order and unlikely any waiver would give much leeway
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25 minutes ago, Cowdenleith said:
FFS, thought this was a wind up, what a shambles. Sorry for the clubs and fans who were geared up for the two games, a lot of revenue lost.
I guess Buckie f’d up big style though at the end of the day?
I suppose it gives EK time to rest up, never sure if that’s great or not to have a longish gap now.
Maybe Buckie thought they had no chance of reaching bronze licence status. You won’t get waivers for things that aren’t in place if they won’t be rectified in very short order.
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6 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
I warned months ago that this would happen, and it was called scaremongering. Thankfully no reason could be found to exclude EK so hopefully they go on to pump whoever they play.
And so did I - bronze license is quite difficult for many clubs.
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On 20/04/2024 at 19:05, FairWeatherFan said:
Congrats to Buckie.
No Chicken Littles running around saying the big, bad SPFL are banning them from the playoff for not having a Bronze license?
A well judged post
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5 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
I think the mention of a TV deal was just a joke about the original proposal about B team benefits back in 2021.
Yes I know but then folk started talking about how the money was used
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There is no TV deal so no cash from that. The B teams money is roughly two thirds to the clubs and one third to the league. The league then meets its running costs, pays for footballs for the clubs, pays for the indemnity insurances required by the clubs, pays half the match officials expenses (not fees) from their share
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2 hours ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Thinking about the clubs who have went up from Tier 5, other than BRA; the others from what I know of them have newer facilities, and benefactors. If I am wrong I apologise, but also believe some of these clubs have benefitted from local authority funding
The running costs at places like Central Park, Shielfield and Cliftonhill I imagine have an impact on available funds.
Is there maybe also a bit of heads in sand from directors, believing relegation from the SPFL won't actually happen.
I do wonder what will happen if Stranraer are relegated; they could well be the first SPFL club to play in Tier 6. Not only financial concerns but being able to attract Tier 5 quality players down to Stair Park.
If the WOS ever get their act in gear and get clubs into Tier 5, some of you might never get back to the SPFL, not singling out any club but it must be in your thoughts as a group. Some of the West clubs do the funds and player pulling power to go quite far.
The heads in the sand bit isn’t correct - L2 teams wage budgets have been pushed way up since trapdoor came in. Directors understand very clearly the relegation risk
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50 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Agreed, I don't get why SPFL fans seem so keen on playing each other 4 times minimum a season. I get that the difference between promotion and demotion can be very tight and brings pressure to nearly every game, but it also means managers are terrified of trying out young players or experimenting with tactics, getting time for new systems to bed in.
Plainly because every game is meaningful and thus very competitive - as opposed to a League where many clubs have little to play for after the halfway mark
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
You have to wonder a demoted SPFL club will ever make the return journey, and whether the SPFL will ever realise that blocking automatic promotion from tier 5 actually makes it more difficult.
Making relegation easier so you can be promoted back more readily isn’t that a compelling vision - SPFL sides aren’t that myopic. And yes pretty sure over time an SPFL club will make the return journey and a former Tier 5 club will fall back to that level
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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:
I think we would already know about it if the play-offs weren't happening next week.But we don’t know about it hence the query - easy enough to advise what actual position is
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17 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Congrats to Buckie.
No Chicken Littles running around saying the big, bad SPFL are banning them from the playoff for not having a Bronze license?
Well what is the position re their bronze licence and any waivers/derogations, etc
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24 minutes ago, GordonS said:
Yeah, I agree. I think 34 is the right number of games for the lowest tier with a requirement for floodlights, bridging between the three regional leagues and the SPFL. I'd rather play 30 than play the B teams though. And 18 teams with one-third of a promotion place and 0-2 relegation places gives a pretty stale mid-table.
Would be happy with 18 real clubs with one down and 2nd bottom in play off with the 3 champions. Thus 2 potentially could come up
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30 minutes ago, virginton said:
As opposed to filling it with games against B team outfits
Yes
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1 hour ago, GordonS said:
FWIW, 30 league games is standard in the EoS and WoS and is the SFA's preferred size for non-league. The LL had 16 members from 2015-16 until the B teams were added in 2021-22, though they ran with one extra in 2020-21 because the didn't want to relegate anyone in the Covid season.
Yes but for ex-SPFL clubs it is way too few games to constitute a proper season - and filling the gaps with miscellaneous cups has little attraction
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3 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
The system is a bottleneck, the reality has been different for the reasons you have listed. Any pyramid where licensed champions don't automatically get promotion is flawed. The play offs which exist to get into the LL and to get into Scottish League Two are an embarrassment. Add to that the fact that Club 42 don't go straight through the trapdoor and its a minter for the "Scottish Football Pyramid"
It’s hardly an embarrassment - there was no promotion to Tier 4 and the SPFL though gave that concession for nothing in return. Why should the SPFL make another concession - what’s in it for them. It also doesn’t seem that all the Tier 5 clubs that have won promotion are advocating that the SPFL change the current arrangement.
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2 hours ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
I refer you to @jimbaxters post. I am not a fan of any club in the WOS. My point mirrors jb's. League champions shouldn't have to enter a dog fight to earn their reward.
That’s fine if there is one league and one champion - but when there are multiple leagues then you can justify a further ‘dog fight’ to establish who actually is the ‘top dog’ - the Supreme Champion to use more Crufts speak.
Indeed in a multi league feeder system several clubs in one league may be better teams than the champions in the others
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4 hours ago, craigkillie said:
The clubs could have considered not voting in two "guest teams" and would have had 4 fewer league games. That might have helped.No it wouldn’t as 30 league games is not much of a league season
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1 hour ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
Who are they answerable to in terms of their rules and regulations
The SFA - exactly the same as the West, South and East Leagues
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The amount paid to each club is based on the licence level they hold - pyramid position has no bearing on it