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8 minutes ago, Pompey Blue said:
Forfeiting a match is different to fielding an ineligible player.
If the team is sanctioned with the forfeiting of the match due to playing an ineligible player, that above is the outcome. My biggest gripe out of all this is How we have managed to find ourselves praying for this to be overturned when we should have been well out of sight of Albion regardless of what the SPFLs outcome was. But from the article above which is subtracted from the official fifa disciplinary code, it shows the team sanctioned with a forfeit for fielding an ineligible player is considered to have lost the match 3-0.
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1 hour ago, Disc Potato said:
We have more chance of gaining 3pts on Albion Rovers on Friday than we do Saturday. Agg in 3 games vs Queens Park this season is 2-10.
I hope your right but I honestly can’t see anything happening on Friday, how could the powers at be award Albion 3 points then take them back weeks later. That would be complete and utter madness.
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44 minutes ago, A Believer said:
Any further pearls around who you know, equal or better, who are queuing up Mr 'it's no ma job to pick a manager, it's the directors job' No? Just whine on about sack the manager, now we're safe.
Could you maybe start your protest activity by boycotting P&B?
Not sure if you are reading other posts mate or solely focusing on mine, but probably 99% of the posts on here are now saying JH needs to go. With regards to who should replace him, maybe ken who he invited into the changing room on Saturday, as JH himself thinks he can do a better job of inspiring and motivating the players than he can himself.
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15 minutes ago, A Believer said:
Aye indeed, didnae mean boycott, didnae mean 'now that our safety is confirmed'; your other pearl. I'm just not terribly sure anything you say anymore has the credence to merit a response.
Says the man who believes that the sacking of a manager who has 1 win in 21 games would be knee jerk.
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@A Believer no response to that I’m afraid mate, well done JH, we’ll all forget about the absolutely abysmal record because you were brave and stood up and answered questions.
Touching on the boycott of games, that was said (probably wrongly and in the heat of the moment) as the only way to get the board to take action and was followed up with me saying but ofcourse nobody is going to do that because we are all going to give every last bit of support we have to try and get the lads over the line but you would have chose to ignore that part again.
At the end of the day we can all point fingers at members of the board, me included, and the goings on that’s been happening for a while but they have given JH their backing since his arrival with the recruitment of no fewer than 11 players. Let’s not get away from the fact that this is down to him I’m afraid nobody else. We have won 1 game of football since November. The board are not responsible for picking the worse Berwick team for years and are not responsible for setting them up to get beat by six goal margins.
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4 minutes ago, DutchBorderer said:
I'll back the board on this; we as fans don't know the full picture, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, we don't know what the board and Harvey are telling eachother, what the finances are, what everyone thinks.
It's easy to assume the board is lazy, but the fact of the matter, which goes for every boardroom out there, is that there is much more at play than 'Oh we can't be arsed to sack him'.
What else can it be then? Baring in mind we are staring relegation/club existence square in the face. I dread to think where we will be in the next 3/4 years if we do get relegated.
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I think it’s clear that with the exception of Jonny himself @A12A1 and an other, all fans have lost all faith in him.
The reality is though the board will do absolutely nothing about this, and the only way to make them take action would be to boycott the remaining games, ofcourse nobody is going to do that as we all want to give every last bit of support we have to hopefully push the lads over the line. For me it is nothing more than complete laziness from the board. As soon as that final whistle went on Saturday they should have been actively seeking to bring somebody in. It’s clear as day that the players have also lost all faith in him or either can’t stand him, which wouldn’t surprise me the way he has chopped and changed his team and almost victimised some players, the captain and goalkeeper being made the scapegoats after previous drubbings.
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24 minutes ago, A12A1 said:49 minutes ago, The Minertaur said:There's only been a single 6-0 in the league this season....
I would be surprised if someone could go back in the records and find a previous 6-0 that was 0-0 at half time. That's how flukey it was.
If we had won a lot of games of football and where at the top end of the table you could argue the fact it might have been a fluke, like when we beat Peterhead that was clearly a fluke. But based on the fact we just got tanked 7-1 couple months back and the fact Clyde hit the woodwork 7 times as well as scoring 3 times in 1 game, I’m afraid it’s anything but a fluke. And the fact it all happened in 1 half makes it even worse.
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50 minutes ago, A12A1 said:2 hours ago, Clyde01 said:
The final score was 6-0 FFS, that’s all that matters. You sound as bad as the manager creaming yourselves over how good you were in the first half. If you lose 6-0 it tends to cloud over the first half performance.Yes it does tend to cloud over things initially, but whatever we do in life we all have our 0-6 days. It is not 'all that matters'. What matters is that we pick ourselves up off the floor and get behind the team. There's only a month to go now. The first half showed what they can do. We need to cheer the team over the line.
Beggars belief some of your comments, and looks very likely you are actually Harvey or somebody close to him. We all have our 6-0 days??
i keep hearing people say they have seen glimpses of how good our team can be, any1 who knows a thing about football knows all teams will have spells or glimpses in football where they look half decent. But in reality we have won ONE game of football since November, ONE game of football in 21, I’m sorry but there comes a time when it can’t be defended. The manager is so far out of his depth and unfortunately it is nothing more than laziness from the club that they will sit back and hope he can scrape a result against Albion, rather than take action. Sad set of affairs really. Just letting the club die.
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1 hour ago, A Believer said:
Well said, everyone is entitled to opinion, and in my opinion, @Blue Oktober , however well intended has, perhaps inadvertently, crossed the line for a social media post.
@Fergie 1, you're spot-on, nothing on here should be personal, whether you support the current first team group or not. My view is not personal either in support of the status quo, albeit you keep calling me out to 'support the manager now'.
He's a major component in an engine that's not the best in quality of components. If you feel one component is sub-standard, you have a replacement (of equal or better quality) ready to swap them out. Remove it with no such replacement, the engine fails.
The part we need is a demonstrably experienced manager, that will immediately integrate with the other moving parts, all with individual complexities of skill and emotion, and improve performance.
I don't see all these critical boxes being ticked at this late stage so, for me; and I still think this group can maintain our league status, we stop pushing for 11th hour change (although god knows, everyone has the right to) and get behind our team, in it's current form and, to use the Trust mantra, be the 12th man.
Future? Who knows. I do know that next season's board have a sound plan with a sound fiscal core and realistic objectives. That element is building positively, IMHO again; who knows either whether Johnny will be part of that?
I admire the guys work ethic and passion; maybe Jaguar Parts Division will make an early season delivery. I'm just not sure we have the funds.Probably more aimed at the fact I have been saying we need a change now for a while and every time you seem to have shot it down with claims of a knee jerk reaction, or blind sackings etc. When the actually fact that Harvey’s record is nothing short of disastrous. I just can’t understand how his sacking would be knee jerk or blind, or how on earth you don’t think a 6-0 defeat to annan (their biggest win since being introduced to the SPFL) 4 games from the end of the season isn’t critical or 1 win since mid November last year isn’t critical?
I understand what your saying that we can’t sack him unless we have somebody waiting in the wings, but using engine references I would say the pistons are fucked and unless they are replaced the car isn’t going anywhere!!!
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31 minutes ago, Redcar said:
Liar, trying to deceive, narcissist. etc etc.
This is way over the top on a football forum. The guy has a family who might read this.
Valid point, and I seen a post on Facebook last night that might have been a member of his family suggesting that we won’t find a more dedicated manager.
I don’t doubt for one second JH is fully committed to the job, but unfortunately that isn’t enough and it’s a results driven business for a football manager as everyone is fully aware and JH has an abysmal record. Unfortunately the negative comments/posts come with the nature of the job, and with the real possibility that the club might lose its league status these negative comments are only going to be heightened, but to remember it is certainly nothing personal just people who want the best for their football club.
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5 minutes ago, berwick-the-unbeatable said:
A lot of what I'll say in this post has already been touched on, but I'll chip in with my usual negativity.
Firstly, my feeling is that Harvey should go. I kept quiet on here a couple of weeks back when there was a discussion about sacking him and the consensus seemed to be that 'the time had gone', but I said to Bri privately at the time that actually, I completely disagreed. The timing was wrong a couple of weeks ago but it literally won't get any better than it is now. What I said to Bri then was that actually, there was no point replacing him then - you'd be better off waiting till a week before the Albion game and then rolling the dice, pinning your hopes on the new manager bounce, giving him a little time to whip together a team prepared for what you'd assume would be a relegation six-pointer, and with enough time to put together an XI that is at least hard to beat if it were to come to a relegation play-off.
At the moment, we are simply not hard to beat, and you can dispute that we ever have been under Harvey. EK beat Kelty (two sides who are probably way better than us in brutal honesty), by 4 goals to nil last week. I dread what the current setup would return against them, or a Cove side that have netted about 100 goals and conceded just 10 all season. For that very reason, my view is that Harvey absolutely must go.
Fans will discuss a lack of alternatives, but ultimately we won't know who'd want it until we take action. I'll likely be ridiculed and I usually say this jokingly, but I genuinely feel we could do far worse than grovelling to Coughlin and asking him to take us through to the end of the season. I think it's realistic and he'd be up for it, but I have my doubts that we'd swallow our pride on that one. It'd not be a fashionable appointment, but you know exactly what you're going to get from a Coughlin side, and right now it's what we need. In any case, I'd support that as a temporary measure to get us through to a point where we have clarity at the end of the season - if there's a totally fresh start in L2 it's attractive for someone, and if it's a title assault on the Lowland it's much the same.
It looks like views are mixed on his team talk stunt yesterday - I'm firmly on the side of the fence that sees it as ridiculous. Some lines shouldn't be blurred and if I were a player, I'd honestly think he's lost the plot. For me, it seems Harvey is struggling to motivate and can't put an organised team on the park. In recruitment, he's fared even worse. We shouldn't forget he lost our best player/top scorer, simply because he couldn't manage him, and we shouldn't forget that he's replaced those lost goals with two forwards who didn't have a senior goal between them (one still doesn't and is a five-a-side player), and now it looks like he's turning to Grant Rose, another goalless striker. We're currently without hope at both ends of the pitch.
As Redcar touched on, fans at the talk-in were criticised for their negativity on social media and on here. I honestly find that quite difficult to understand. For over a decade, we've become increasingly complacent as a club. Myself & DutchBorderer disagreed at the start of the season when he said he'd be delighted with 9th. Of course you'd take that if offered now but for me it was a statement very much indicative of the absolute state we've gotten ourselves into. In a decade I don't think we've once aimed to win the league - the height of our ambition has been to reach the play-offs - and even then what is really meant is to 'sneak in' in 4th. In the last few seasons, even that has diminished. We now exist as a club solely to survive - to be a L2 side. We are totally devoid of any ambition and worse still, even if we stay up I don't really see that changing.
I hope that there is more reason behind any inactivity than people being 'afraid to touch it' through fear of association. At the moment, I feel we deserve what we have coming - and make no mistake, as it stands it is coming, for our prolonged complacency (the same level I used to tear Montrose to shreds for). With relegation seemingly imminent, I don't know why you wouldn't roll the dice - I genuinely feel it cannot get worse. I have no idea who holds the power at the moment with a Chairman elect in place, but if it is John and if memory serves me correctly (and I might have this wrong), John has always been on the side of the manager when it came to their departures. As a result of all mentioned in this paragraph, I get the feeling we'll see no change.
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i thought the QP highlights where hard to watch but deary me that was painful. Granted it’s annans highlights package so could be seen as slightly biased, but Sean makes a great save and they squander a great opportunity before it shows blues attempt, yet JH seems to think we should have been 2 up, and that second chance can’t have been that clear cut it didn’t even make the highlights. That second half showing there really was embarrassing, players looked lost at every goal. I thought it was too late to change things but after watching that action must be taken now! @A Believer don’t try and tell me a new face couldn’t sort that out, you obviously don’t know much about football if you think otherwise.
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1 win since the 17th November 2018. Genuinely no idea how that can be defended? @A Believer?
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Why is our manager attending reserve games at this time of the season when our club is in great danger of becoming extinct? He gets 4 hours a week to work with the team, surely it’s paramount he is at training Tuesday Thursday when we have absolutely everything to play for?
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40 minutes ago, PELE said:
I disagree. Bringing a fan in is spot on. Why the hell shouldn't the players listen to what it means to the guy? Maybe JH has been poor elsewhere. I can't really comment on that, but his heart is in the right place. So good luck to him. Better than the dinosaurs who usually have these jobs.
I’m sorry but if I was asked in there today I would have refused. A publicity stunt from Harvey here! If the players don’t know what it means and he needs to resort to bringing fans in then that to me says it all. He is struggling to motivate them!
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13 minutes ago, Zen Archer said:
Do you think he should get the elbow?
I thought he should have got the elbow a long time ago! Not just now with 4 games to go.
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2 hours ago, The Crafty Dafty said:
Blah blah blah same old shiteBy the way... terrific actor!!
All jokes aside, for everyone involved/ connected, I really do hope Jonny and the team can salvage this, I come on and almost hope I jinx the team in a weird superstitious way at times and hope I can follow it up with some humble pie, but that’s yet to be the case. The board isn’t going to act now but if we do manage to stay up he has to go at the end of the season. Never mind our results, his interviews are becoming a laughing stock.
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1 hour ago, A12A1 said:
I believe JH is the man for the job. We need to get behind him. Carping is no good to anyone.
JH did not dig the hole the club is in it was there when he arrived. He had a good record in his previous job so the notion he can't motivate a team is absurd. The team is miles better than when he arrived but their luck has been abysmal.
The first half today was great. I don't know what JH said to them at half time but there is no way he could have foreseen how the second half was going to start so it's not his fault. If the first goal had come
at the end of the first half rather than beginning of the second he would have got them sorted. The timing was just sheer bad luck again.
I can't see Albion avoiding defeat in their next two games against Peterhead and Edinburgh. So that means they have 2 games left to save themselves and we have 4.
So it's not all bad! Cheer up!
(And so far as I am aware Jose Mourinho is unavailable).Jonny knee exactly what situation the club was in before he took the job for 1. The current run of results/performances has absolutely nothing to do with the board, so that has to stop as an excuse. The reason it has nothing to do with the board is because Jonny has recruited 10/11 players since coming in which to me tells you the board has backed him. And regardless of most opinions that we are actually a lot worse, FACTS/STATS would actually tell you we are a lot worse since his arrival.
Ofcourse it’s just purely bad luck that we have been beaten by a SIX (6) goal margin twice in the space of a couple months.
For me it’s irrelevant what Albion are going to or will do in their remaining games, going down 6-0 when the club/us are relying on them going out there and at least showing a bit fight and scrap, We haven’t put a glove on your opponents in the last 2 games. We have been ahead of them all season, they have picked up 10 points from their last six games yet according to you and @A Believer they won’t pick up any more.
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37 minutes ago, A Believer said:
I'm not defending anyone here, but here's some observations.
We never get anything away to Annan.
I didn't think we'd end today still 1 point behind.
We're still well in it, with fixtures suggesting to me that as Rovers have Peterhead away and Edin City at home, we'll still be (at worst) 1 point behind when they come to Shielfield.
Who in their right mind would take the job (with the credentials to do better - no seagull cracks please....
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Seriously, today was a shock after 0-0 at half time with broadly equal possession and goal attempts; but I'd still back this group to get the job done over a blind sacking and further disruption at this stage (unless the much vaunted John Hughes takes the job: aye right....)Again probably a cheap dig at me there when I simply made a suggestion after you where very persistent on an answer to who we could bring in. Seriously have to question your opinion here... a blind sacking??? We’re fucking bottom of the table with 4 games remaining and have just been scudded 6-0! What sort of confidence is in amongst that dressing room right now? Again as I said last week people keep harping on about effort, I’m sorry but at this level of football you don’t get scudded twice in the space of 2 months by a SIX goal margin if every player is giving maximum effort, there isn’t that big a gulf in quality. But 1 thing we probably can agree on is who in there right mind would want to come in now? But on the same hand I think the chairman himself could probably set up a team better. There’s no chance Albion will pick up points against Peterhead who we beat 2-0 and edin city who after today will be on a bit of a downer considering they’ll know they’ve chucked the league and are just waiting for the play offs to start. And to say we never get anything at Annan anyway as a way of accept today’s defeat... crazy! We are in a dog fight to save the club here that’s how serious it is, so I’m afraid I expect the manager to set up a team that at least has a bit fight in them!
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21 minutes ago, dougster said:
Don't think that really matters, they were given the opportunity, it's up to them to take it. Jack Cook is one that springs to mind
About one of the only positives this season. Think he’s been really good, got better with each game. Had his moments of course, but that’s to be expected with a youngster.
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13 minutes ago, A Believer said:
We can't add to the player pool. 'The dressing room' is unified and the group is working hard together. Most involved in football recognise the importance of unity and 100% collective commitment to a common goal on this situation.
Clearly, I just don't believe, as you (and others) do, disrupting that at the 11th hour is the best plan. IMHO that would be more dicing with our future.
I'll be there at the open forum on Saturday to listen, and contrubute, to the discussion and will likely be supportive of the group, as I think that's the best thing for our club right now.
I really hope you'll come along and voice your opposition, with your list of prospective managers we missed out on, and put it to the board in person. More might agree and you can lead the change.Agree 100% about unity and dressing room togetherness, but what is to say That is there? Jonnys interviews? Effort on the pitch? I keep seeing people say we can’t fault the effort, I’m sure we can.
I don’t believe that Is there a unity. But that’s what we are all on here for, to voice our opinions. Now is the 11th hour of course and far too late to try and make a change, i suggested we changed him quite a while back. It will be interesting to see what Jonnys thoughts on the lowland league are and if he will still be around if we do end up there. Again you harp on about my suggestions for possible successors, that is not my job to do that I’m afraid, but if you don’t believe there are probably doesn’t say much for what you think of the club.
Alwx mcleish is looking for a job...
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42 minutes ago, A Believer said:
I still think your previous pearl of wisdom that we should immediately sack the manager, as there was a long list of better managers who'd be ready to take the job, was nonsense; but brilliantly trumped by 'now we've secured our league status'.
Breathless in anticipation of your next one.
So you don’t believe we should have got rid of him earlier and brought in someone new? Would we be bottom of the league right now had we done so? Probably not.
Potentially dicing with the future of the club.
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So the SPFL don’t follow FIFA’s codes? Genuine question?