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2 minutes ago, Exiledjag said:
Every team is entitled to sporting integrity and fairness. That's why I bang on about the unfairness and lack of integrity of the current system. Two semi-finals and a final is fair etc.
If you have a downer on teams finishing 3rd and 4thvwhy don't you advocate a straight play -off between the team finishing 2nd in the championship and the 11th placed team in the SPL - that would be fairer than the present system.
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2 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said:
Don't understand Graham's comments last night about Raith 'sitting with their feet up'. Raith have earned that right through 36 games in the league, if Partick didn't want a tough quarter final they should have finished higher up the league.
Teams that finish 3rd and 4th in the Championship do not deserve the same opportunity as they haven't earned it over the season. 3rd or 4th in a 10 team league shouldn't be enough to earn a promotion therefore they should have to go through a harder schedule to get promoted. That bit is entirely fair.
The team that gets done over by the play-offs is the 2nd place team in my opinion, them having to play 2 ties while their equivalents (2nd bottom in league above) only have 1 tie is unfair.
But the 3rd/4th place don't have anything to moan about, if sporting fairness was any kind of consideration then those 2 teams wouldn't even have a shot at promotion to begin with, they get a shot because it creates great drama like last night.
Every team is entitled to sporting integrity and fairness. That's why I bang on about the unfairness and lack of integrity of the current system. Two semi-finals and a final is fair etc.
If you have a downer on teams finishing 3rd and 4thvwhy don't you advocate a straight play -off between the team finishing 2nd in the championship and the 11th placed team in the SPL - that would be fairer than the present system.
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11 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:
Raith don't play 2 extra games than the Premiership team. 36 +2 is 38, the Premiership club plays 38.
3rd and 4th play extra games as they finished lower in the league than Raith, which is surey in favour of the team finishing 2nd?
Which is why I understand a team finishing 4th (also possibly 3rd - would need to check this) has never been promoted to the SPL.
Teams finishing 3rd and 4th would, if they reached the final, play 42 games; the team finishing 2nd 40 games and the SPL team 40 games.
As I stated earlier the number of games is a factor in favour of the SPL team but a bigger advantage is the time frame over which the games are played. This allows virtually no time for proper recovery between the 5th and 6th game.
There is no logical argument against a play-off system of two semi-finals (home and away) and a final (one game). A system loaded with fairness and football integrity!
Such a system would result in more SPL casualties such as Ross County last season where Thistle were clearly the better team over the two games until fatigue set in towards the end of the game at Dingwall. The fatigue factor is undeniable and is something SPL teams plan for in executing their game plan
Oh and in respect of the Dingwall game let's not forget the contribution of the Referee to RC survival.
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2 hours ago, paddymcp said:
I’ve never understood this argument that a team is at a disadvantage because they’ve had to play games (thus retaining match fitness) whereas the team who have sat on their arse for 11 days are going to be more prepared. It’s a football cliche repeated by many that has no basis in fact IMO. On the contrary - Partick are the team with the advantage IMNSHO
I don't think it's the number of game the Championship teams have to play, especially teams who finish 3rd and 4th, that's the issue.
It's the timescale overwhich the games, particularly the final thats the problem.. For example, playing Ross County last year on the Thursday and having 2 days to recover prior to playing them again on the Sunday is just not long enough enough.
The schedule to play the SPL team should be Tuesday (1st leg) and Sunday (2nd leg?).
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19 minutes ago, Claudia Gentile said:
I would much prefer we didn't. Going up with Dundee United would be far more preferable imo.
It would be great if it did happen but I just don't see it.
We have IMO done well this season with a much weaker squad. It's certainly hats off to Doolan, the players and all at Firhill. We have though been inconsistent which is why we failed to mount a serious challenge for the league title or second place.
We made mistakes along the way but so did Raith and Dundee Utd.
You also have to take into account the demands of a play-off system designed to protect the SPL side.
I think you also need to factor in that if we were to reach the play-off and take a lead into the final game at Dingwall or Perth, the SPFL will find another sympathetic referee and that will be that.
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On 21/04/2024 at 22:17, AUFC 1910 said:
Regardless of who gets played or who gets rested, I hope it’s a decent game, in the sunshine, with a nice big crowd and what will be will be.
As far as other results are concerned, I hope and pray that they pan out with us not needing a win on the last day
Looking at this game and the table it never occurred to me that any Ayr fans would be thinking about relegation. I would have thought with Arbroath already relegated the fight to avoid the relegation play-off is between Inverness and Queens Park. Although arithmetically Ayr could be involved it would take a really strange run of results for Ayr to be in the relegation play-off.
Inverness have two difficult games against Dunfermline and Morton and Queens Park face Airdrie in their final game. I don't see all of these games going against you.
Look forward to seeing you again next year in the Championship.
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The above represents my last word on Dingwall. So although I will never forget its time for me to move on.
Cheers to all regardless of your take on Dingwall.
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20 minutes ago, baba douche said:
C'mon, event though we got shite decisions against us, we still did shite the bed a wee bit.
The referee didn't make us concede again about 90 seconds after the first goal.
I accept all these points and they are valid.
But not one response acknowledges the impact of the play-off system in terms of fatigue and the cumulative affect on the players of a referee who couldnt get the most obvious decisions correct.
The only reason RC were still in the game was because our players were very tired in the second half at firhill.
That was when I first noticed tiredness as a factor. I take nothing away from RC . Their defenders made some great blocks in that second half but our players were guilty of over running the ball, guilty of clumsy first touches and wild swipes at the ball all when in good scoring positions.
I also knew from past experience that when I saw who the ref was we wern't going to make to the SPL and I said that to two friends -a Rangers and an Airdrie supporter- before a ball was kicked.
To say we shat the bed is an insult to our players. Do Jags supporters who say this expect players of the character of Holt and Docherty to do this!
I say again it was a testament to the character of the players that we made it through extra time.
Clearly on a public thread I can't say what I would really like to say but I am sure you know where I am thinking
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3 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:
Right, firstly he’s a Dundee United fan. And secondly, we were 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go and lost - we absolutely did shit the bed.
Your entitled to your opinion I have another view. I
I wondered what the Dundee utd fan's reward would be (assuming you are referring to the referee) and lo and behold he was given the next old firm game.
Coincidence, probably.
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2 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said:
Are you the owner of this flag by any chance?
No but injustice is never forgotten and I have always liked a good conspiracy theory. Don't forget we did take McLennan and Doncaster (in their guise as the SPFl) to arbitration and I am sure they didn't forget.
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16 hours ago, Mark Connolly said:
You're hoping to shit the bed in Dingwall again?
Bit weird...
We didn't shit the bed in Dingwall at all we were cheated out of our promotion to the SPL by the demands of a play-off system very much designed to protect the SPL club and on the day by a very poor referee.
By the time we reached the 70th minutes when Walsh awarded RC a penalty kick for a handball that never was we should have been 4 goals up playing against 10 men. Walsh denied us the most blatant penalty you'll ever see and a RC player should have been given a red card for a clear lunge on Tiffoney. Walsh initially ignored the handball and gave the penalty and red card decisions but reversed the 3 decisions on the say so of the VAR official. All to the benefit of RC.
According to commentators and pundits his initial decisions were correct and his VAR 'influenced' decisions were wrong.
I was amazed we managed to get as far as penalty kicks.
I suggest you watch the highlights and imagine its Airdrie playing RC. I would be interested in your opinion following that.
There has been over the past couple of seasons a lot of talk about football integrity well as far as the play-off system and that particular game there was no football integrity attached to any aspect.
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I think most Dundee fans on this thread will know that I an not a fan of your club - at least for as long as Nelms is there. Back stabbing B!
But there is a point I should have clarified a lot earlier and that is I am a fan of the Dundee Football Team and have been since the glory days of Alan Gilzean etc.
Watching the highlights of the Rangers game was the Dundee team of old playing fast and exciting football which should have brought a win or at least a penalty for hand ball. Don't know how the ref missed that.
Regarding your pitch and from a neutral position I think the SPL are fining the club with an immediate punishment but deferring the rest until next season.
What the SPL are doing is saying to the Club 'you have been given a chance to sort out your pitch otherwise you will have to pay the deferred amount if you don't do so'! This seems fair to me.
However if next season a game is postponed because of a waterlogged pitch and there are other postponements as well at, say, Tannadice, Arbroath, St Johnstone, Raith and Dunfermline etc then I would not expect the deferred penalty to be implemented.
well done on top 6 and the performace v Rangers. Please get rid of that back stabbing B, Nelms.
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Just come on to pie and bovril after a bit of an absence. Sorry you have not had a successful season and would like to wish you every success in League 1. Hope to see you back in the Championship in 25/26.
I don't know what's going on at the club so perhaps shouldn't comment. So offering only a couple of personal opinions.
I was very surprised when the club let Linn go. He was a player (with McKenna and McBride) I would have loved to see playing in Jags colours. I know Linn was nearing the end of his career but still considered him to be an influential player (like Lawless for us). While not the only reason I thought not playing him and his subsequent departure contributed to the Club's decline. Why wouldn't Cambell play him? It seemed to me Campbell was cutting off his nose to spite his face by not playing him. Was there something going on with them?
Finally, I hope I am wrong, but I thought appointing your present manager was a mistake.
Haste ye back to the Championship. Hopefully we will be there waiting to welcome and not passing you on our way to League 1.
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Afraid I am biased - I just don't like artifical football surfaces. I would like to see all SPL and Championship games played on grass.
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Livingston fans shouldn't worry about this tie
Nick Walsh is the referee and he will give you all the big decisions and most of the little ones as well.
Walsh will give you a very soft penalty for a HT 1-0 lead. He will then allow a blatantly offside goal for 2-0. He will deny the Jags a blatant penalty at 1-0 and disallow a perfectly good goal with 10mins to go at 2-0.
Finally he will send Brian Graham off around the 70th min.
Final score 2-0 Livingston.
Walsh will feel criticism of his performance is unfair and he will say that both Murdoch McLennan and Neil Doncaster called to congratulate him on a fine performance!
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I wouldn't mind Dundee utd and Raith being relegated but they have a better chance of promotion than going down!
So will opt for Arbroath (because of their horrendus injury list) and Dunfermline (because of their manager who has never impressed me).
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Just watched the highlights of the winning goal. Great cross by Lawless but did Milne actually get his head to the ball?
First time I have seen our grey/pink away strip in action. Didn't really fancy it when I saw the first images but changed my mind after tonight.
Thought it made the Jsgs look sleek and quick. Very jazzy outfit!
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On 23/05/2023 at 10:32, Finlay21 said:
Over 80% of tickets bought in last 48hrs is normally home fans
There will be a big Jags support at Somerset on Friday so don't assume 80% is all about home fans.
I for one certainly don't think the tie is over and admit that the prospect of Dipo playing does worry me a bit.
I am more worried though that in the games against Queens Park and at Firhill against Ayr everything went our way. I just feel that we might be heading for a big fall in this 4th play-off game.
If Dipo plays I hope Doolan moves Holt from left back, where he has been covering for the injured Milne, to Central Defence. Holt can then partner Muirhead or Brownlie
I think Holt is our best central defender and will be able to handle Dipo better than Muirhead or Brownlie.
This, though leaves us the problem of covering left back!
Here's hoping for a good game and a Jags win on the night.
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A big well done to Falkirk in reaching the semi-final from a Partick fan.
Best of luck.against ICT. They are a good team and on form so will be difficult. However you gave Ayr a goal of a start and beat them so you have a good chance to reach the final though ICT will start favourites.
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12 hours ago, South Lanarkshire Jag said:
I spotted a couple of very small errors in the latest match hub for the Dundee game, which I know you’ll want to be 100% accurate.
On the post-match quotes you’ve attributed them to ‘caretaker manager Ian McCall’
Harry Milne’s goal was scored in the 80th minute(as per referee report) rather than the 84th.
Scott Tiffoney and Brian Graham’s exits from the pitch are the wrong way round(Tiffoney was originally signalled to go off by the sub board but Brian came off instead as he was gubbed and Tiffoney followed a few moments later).
Harry Milne wasn’t booked.
And we had 49% ball possession ans Dundee had 51% - just guessing
(BBC showed Jsgs 9% Dundee 91%)
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On 26/12/2022 at 16:41, SandyCromarty said:
For sure managers sign duds, Tore Andre Flo at 10 million or so for instance, but managers have to admit that the failure also lies with them, also this blaming all and sundry is ridiculous.
A good Manager takes responsibility for failure, whether it's the players or injuries, the buck as they say stops with him, it's called man management.
The point I'm making is that the week before the blame lay with injuries and a week later it's now that the players, (plural), aren't good enough, and at least 5 of the players on Friday he signed, with that do you honestly trust the guy to sign more players in January?
This I think is where Ian McCall has shown his mettle. We have suffered with injuries justify like ICT and lost 6 consecutive games. We lost not only 4 of our best player but players who were leaders on the park. It was clear that the players coming in were either not up for the challenge or not good enough! All we as fans got out of McCall was "this is the worst injury crisis he had known in his time in football"! There were no personal or collective recriminations but after the Raith game and behind the scenes I am sure some players were given a real telling off! Result the players stated putting in a shift as a team we got Graham back, Holt and Docherty are on the edges of the first 11 and Fitzpatrick is now proving to be a good deputy for Tiffoney. We are now on a 5 games unbeaten streak (4W 1D).
I don't think we have given our manager enough credit for the turn around given only 1 of our best players is back playing regularly.
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24 minutes ago, bdu98196 said:
Worrying that fans of opposition teams seem more concerned about the negativity at our club both on and off field than most of our own.
I like ICT and I an sure things will look up. One thing I have learned is that when on a bad run as we were up to the Arbroath game, fans tend to look for problems that aren't there. I remain convinced that although our off-field issues didn't help, the main reason for our bad run was losing 4 key player due to injury. Especially as 3 of the 4 were leaders on the park, Graham, Docherty and Holt
Tiffonry wasn't a leader he was just brilliant!
I am sure ICT will improve when you get all your best players back..
Thanks for standing by us 3 years ago, unlike those backstabbers at Dundee, when we were unfairly relegated.
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I fancy a high scoring game with 9 goals and the Jags scoring 6!
Tiff and Lawless to shred the QP defence with Turner running the show from central midfield.
Hope IMC is reading this and takes note of where Turner should be played
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On 01/10/2022 at 16:42, Hammer Jag said:
Know your place Greenock scum
No need for this sort of language.
My father (long gone) was a Morton fan and as a boy when I became interested in football he took me to see our local team - Partick Thistle.
Been hooked ever since. He could have let me join all my school/football pals who supported either Celtic or Rangers but no too much trouble around those two at the time. He told me Thistle was the place for me.
Show a bit of respect.
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Totally agree.
Failing this why not have the same system we have for promotion from League 2 to League 1 and from League 1 to the Championship.
Why should the system for promotion to the SPL be any different from these.