Malky3

David Cameron gave people the right to choose and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP have been seeking a way to ignore and overturn the results of BOTH referendums ever since. I know where the democratic deficit really is.

Absolutely. This is the woman who doesn't know how to write her own name. She recently dropped the use of the hyphen in her surname - no doubt because some people still see hyphenated names as posh and that's not the market she's aiming for. A journalist asked her about it and she said that her name shouldn't be hyphenated. Then it was pointed out to her that she had hyphenated her name on her own Twitter account and then she backtracked to say that actually her name should have a hyphen in it. All I can say if t nationalists are reduced to hoping that Rebecca Long-Bailey will become Labour Leader and offer a second Scottish Independence Referendum they must be unbelievably desperate. I also had a wee chuckle at Alyn Smith having a go at Boris Johnson on Question Time tonight claiming Johnson isn't to be trusted because he promises everything. Everything except Indy Ref 2 apparently. And then he had the cheek to claim he is a "friend of England". What a fanny!

Rebecca Wrong-Daily?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nationalist whose head has gone as the majority of Scots continue to say No. Pleasing.

I see this website is as secure as Div's other efforts! Moderators hacking accounts and changing profile pics won't sell your services Div!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Aye, a definite ramping up of rhetoric to sinister levels. Fortunately at least 55% of Scotland aren't knuckle scrapers.

Sounds like a good idea - a bit like Robert the Bruce, We all know how Scotland loves it's 700 year old arguments.

There has certainly been a very dangerous ramping up of rhetoric that has been going on since before the General Election. It's not as if I would ever have voted for the SNP anyway, but the growing number of Nationalists who insist on going down this more extremist route are only going to further entrench opinions against Scottish Independence. After all how the hell could I vote for Scottish Independence when a proportion of their number believe I, as a Tory voter, should be hunted out of my country as a traitor.

And the Nationalists like to claim they aren't racist.

Brilliant. It makes it so much easier to scroll past your posts.

Rubbish. The Westminster Government has simply shown absolutely consistency. They refused a second Brexit referendum, and now they will refuse a second Scottish Independence Referendum because quite simply it is important in any democracy for all parties to acknowledge and accept the will of the majority.

The SNP are using general election vote results and Scottish Election vote results as their case for saying they have a mandate for Indy Ref 2 so that's why I've gone down the route of showing that they don't have any mandate at all even under their own terms of reference . I agree with you though Oaksoft - there are plenty of people I know who voted SNP who would not vote for Independence and there are certainly some Labour voters who would.

His view? Really. Here's page 1 of the White Paper produced by the SNP to lay out their plans for an Independent Scotland Let's try this another way. The SNP claim that there was a fundamental change in the offering from the Union with regard to the EU. But lets say the SNP had succeeded in 2014 in winning a Yes vote on the back of this White Paper. Would they be keen to allow Unionists a second referendum on the back of the realisation that the Oil Tax Revenue figures were a pile of shite, that arguments that Scotland would have everything we were used to but a lower tax rate was fantasist shite, and that the prospect of an open border with England - as promised - was going to be denied to us as England left the EU and we remained (like Ireland)

Scots got the right to decide in 2014 - and voted no in a "once in a generation referendum". It's entirely correct and consistent to follow the outcome of the referendum and to refuse further taxpayer expenditure on endless replays demanded by Nationalists in the hope that one day one of the votes might actually go their way.

I agree. There is no doubt whatsoever that the SNP's repeated agitation for Independence and political instability has driven away foreign investment in Scotland. Scottish growth has been more sluggish than in other areas across the UK which shows that foreign companies still see other parts of the UK as a better bet than Scotland. Even in Scotland we have major corporate bodies telling us openly that if Scotland becomes Independent they would HAVE to move their HQ to England just for their own security - companies like RBS. Yet still the Nationalists want to continue to damage the economy of the country they profess to love and the earning potential of the people they profess to represent. You are right - and I think this is why there is a such a desperate push right now by the SNP to try to get an Independence Referendum right now before the UK does finally leave the EU. Once that happens the prospect of Scottish Independence will be long behind us.

Of course it's not. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here? The UK economy continues to be one of the richest in the world. The economy has continued to grow defying predictions of extreme doom and gloom by both the Prime Minister and his Chancellor at that time of the referendum. And we have record levels of employment all around the UK. Many economic experts predicted a rocky road after the Brexit referendum outcome, and yet despite all of the political instability and uncertainty which would have undoubtedly prevented businesses from investing in the UK all our vital signs remain extremely positive. I predict that growth will start to accelerate in the UK economy as stability and certainty returns and as it does interest rates will probably rise to control inflation - and as we know with interest rate rises comes a strengthening in the value of the £ in the currency market. What your graphs show is the benefit to the UK economy of being able to use quantitative easing and controlling our own interest rates to negate downward fiscal pressures. Something we wouldn't have had complete control of had we joined the Euro - like Greece or Ireland - and indeed something that an Independent Scotland wouldn't be able to control if sought to use Sterlingisation as was proposed in the SNP's White Paper document from 2014.

No, you're right. I don't think there will ever be an Indy Ref 2.

And what happens if the UK economy actually continues to grow and to hold up well as it has done since the EU referendum in 2016? To date there has been little sign of the doomsday scenario that was being painted by George Osbourne and David Cameron prior to the vote. There's also little logic in thinking that the economy is likely to stagnate when it didn't through the worst periods of political instability over the last two years. Will we perhaps all wake up to the fact that politics isn't as all powerful and as important as people are making out - and that instead what is required is stability so that business can get on with doing what it does best - generating profit, jobs and revenue for the UK economy.

Well obviously - in a General Election only the number of seats matter. And in this case the Conservatives won by a landslide while the SNP started off with no prospect of winning and no prospect of every achieving anything they were promising - like stopping Boris or stopping Brexit. I feel sorry for those 1.2m Scots who completely wasted their vote in December. Nicola Sturgeon has completely let them down. However in any referendum it's the total number of votes that matter - and again in December we saw that Scottish Independence couldn't get a majority, whilst % support for Unionism was much the same as it was in 2014 whilst the actual number of votes supporting Scottish Independence had fallen through the floor.

Ach rubbish! First off whilst my knowledge and posts are not 100% correct all the time - neither are the majority of posts made by the hordes on here - as has been proven beyond all doubt many, many times over. I doubt this website has any political experts on it - if they do exist they certainly aren't prevalent on these pages. As for your second comment - that truly is hyperbolic bullshit. The majority that was in favour of remaining in the UK Union in 2014 was just short of 400,000. To suggest that one confirmed Tory posting on the politics pages of a shitty Scottish Football Forum where there are around 30 users reading the pages avidly enough to see all of the comments has the power to swing that majority either way is just nonsense. It's even more nonsensical when your claim is made where 27 of those users are already of the deeply brainwashed Nationalist variety.

Oh dear - are you lying again? You are the biggest liar on here! Here's what the Scottish Parliament says about who administers the Parliament.scot website.

This might actually happen you know. What date is Alex Salmond due in court?

True - I did. However I didn't for the purpose of the percentage calculation. The SNP polled down 15% in 2019 on their 2015 results. Support is ebbing away. How do you know that any Indy Ref 2 would start from a far higher point? It could be 30 years till Indy Ref 2 by which time the UK economy will be one of the biggest, diverse and booming in the world, and Scots would have to be mentally deranged to back a government proposing we be financed by a failing oil dependent economy.

Hardly a lie. You can see where I got my information from - The Scottish Parliament website. If it's wrong then it's the Scottish Parliament who has it wrong. But then the Scottish Parliament has never been a beacon of competence has it?

Because I am making the point that there is no evidence of a change of opinion in Scotland towards Independence since the last referendum which was in 2014. If I was to compare 2015 to 2017 the figures would look even more damming for the SNP