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7 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:
If they can't be in line then why do we get dead heats in other sporting events??
Because of the degree to which it can be measured.
Same as how two people might be 5'10, and we call them the same height. But if we were to be able to measure further, we'd find one is a tiny bit taller than the other.
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Aye. Barring a monumental collapse (and a stunning finish from Killie) this season will go down as "pretty good", I'd say.
3rd place, two trips to Hampden and only beaten by the sticky buns there, won an unseeded tie in Europe. Nothing really to complain about, which is simultaneously very nice and quite annoying. Had we avoided the OF at Hampden, we'd probably have had a cup final, which would have elevated things a bit.
Interesting summer ahead. A lot going out the door, I reckon. I'd expect a rather different looking team next season and it'll be interesting to see what kind of market we go for and how much we spend.
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2 hours ago, kingjoey said:
I'm wondering if "Chris" is Vincent.
He's far too positive to be me.
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I've got some reservations about this one.
Hearts will come into this game with a bit of baggage and in need of a lift after the semi-final defeat and they'll know that a victory will see Kilmarnock check out of the race for third. But I can see us being good guests here and not taking anything home with us.
That said, the tough game Killie gave us a few weeks ago should serve as a wake-up call, and Hearts might just floor us all by picking up a point.
I hope nobody gets booked.
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19 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said:
Felt sorry for Tait in tears at the end. It was his mistake for the 2nd but he was trying to be positive, you can't be annoyed at youngsters for trying to do the right thing. One of his team mates should've blootered Cantwell and taken the yellow anyway to cover him.
Agree with this. As he pushed forward my mate next to me shouted "That's the game, son", and I murmured my agreement, just as he lost the ball.
We'd been crying out for someone to do that, and he's just unlucky the way it unfolded. Someone should have taken the booking. Two really poor goals.
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1 minute ago, stu2910 said:
I'm not disputing that someone living in Stockport will be interested in Stockport, that's not the point. In the last few posts you've said that people in Scotland will be interested in Stockport v Tranmere but then go on to question why someone in England would watch Partick v Ayr. Other than, oh I don't know, massively increased media attention, what does the English game have that's so interesting?
You could ask the same question about why your average Austrian fan is more interested in German football than your average German fan is in Austrian football.
It's higher profile (circular, I know, but that's just how it is), it has better media coverage as it has a bigger population and therefore a bigger market, and it's a football set-up that contains some of the best teams in the world. That all filters down.
All these things added together make something more appealing. Why do more Scottish people take an interest in La Liga than the Portuguese league?
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Just now, stu2910 said:
This is kind of the point I was trying to make before. England doesn't care about Scottish football but they're never going to care if they're not able to see it, unless our league suddenly becomes like Saudi Arabia which I can't see happening somehow.
The quality might not be amazing at the moment, but one of the most consistently interesting aspects of Scottish football is the Championship. A division that until recently was ignored completely and even now is broadcast exclusively in Scotland every other week or so. Is it really of lower quality and interest than a National League game in England that's on Sky/BT every week?
That doesn't really matter. If you live in Stockport, you'll be interested in the National League as some of the clubs will be local to you, you'll have likes and dislikes, some of your mates will support the clubs involved.
What's that person's motivation for watching Partick Thistle against Ayr? Even if it is exciting. English football has its own excitement every season.
Could you tell me how exciting the Northern Irish or Welsh leagues are this year? I've got no idea. It's not relevant to me at all.
There will never be interest in our game in England beyond football geeks and people with links to Scotland. And that's fine.
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3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
It is different, and I’m not suggesting Scottish football receive the same treatment. I’m merely highlighting that it’s within the BBC’s gift to give Scottish football an increased level of coverage either at a uk level or regionally, and it would have an impact if it did.
It’s not unreasonable to suggest that the current output is pretty risible from a national broadcaster. The regional output is a reflection of the funding from the overall bbc. As the BBC’s national coverage becomes less relevant anyway, it could reinvent itself at least in part as a champion of regional coverage - but it won’t.
I think there's a circular aspect that is related to the tv coverage our own league provides.
All your average English punter ever sees of our league is Livi v Celtic, Killie v Rangers, Hibs v Celtic, Motherwell v Rangers...
A lot of these games are attack against defence with an inevitable outcome. And, given that nothing else is ever televised, people assume that's all there is. I've taken mates to Tynecastle who have been genuinely surprised how professional and high-quality the whole thing is, as they tend to think it's essentially amateur stuff.
That's basically the impression our league gives off, so there's no demand for any coverage. It starts with our clubs.
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4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
I’ve lived there too and I know they don’t care. But you’re being naive if you think that isn’t at least in part influenced by media coverage. It’s played a key part in women’s football. Increased coverage means increased interest, which leads to increased investment which leads to the quality improving which drives more interest. It’s a self fulfilling cycle.
It's not quite the same thing. Women's football happens in England and is of interest to the local population.
Of course media attention drives interest, but to what end would there be media attention on Scottish football in England? What does the local population do with that?
There's only so much space, and England is a more multi-sport envronment than Scotland as well. They've got the Premier League, well-supported lower league, cricket, rugby, etc to cover. It's a very hard sell to say that their audience is being served in any way by shoe-horning in coverage of something that just isn't relevant to them.
We have our own coverage. It may be shite, but that's a different issue.
The plus side to all this is that most of my English mates have absolutely no idea Hearts have been relegated twice in the last decade. Didn't register at all. Which is nice. Most folk reckon we're still owned by that Latvian/Russian/foreign guy.
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Just now, eez-eh said:
That they shouldn’t be defacto English stations. I don’t think anyone is contesting that they are.
Why are you struggling so much to grasp that?
And why are you being such a condescending w**k?
Jesus Christ.
Good night to you.
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Just now, stu2910 said:
This is missing the point entirely though. Why do people in Scotland care about English football? The very top teams fine, but why are people watching Blackburn v Sheff We’d earlier today? Is it because it’s so much better than Motherwell v Aberdeen?
f**k me.
BECAUSE IT'S QUITE GOOD.
And, to be honest, aye, it is miles better than Motherwell v Aberdeen.
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Just now, eez-eh said:
No. When did I say that?
So what's your fucking point?
BBC One and Five Live are defacto English stations. If you haven't grasped this, then I can'thelp you.
Scotland has its own BBC media. They cover Scottish football. Absolutely nobody who isn;t accessing BBC Scotland's Scottish football coverage in the UK gives a flying f**k about Scottish football, so it is not widely covered elsewhere.
What part of this is difficult for you?
The BBC's regional English output is irrelevant in all of this. English people find English football interesting. They do not find Scottish football interesting.
Do. You. Get. It?
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1 minute ago, stu2910 said:
Not at all, the third tier in England is better than the third tier in Scotland, only an idiot would dispute that. The point is that the third tier in England is not better than the best clubs in this country. There also comes a point where quality is far less important than relevance. Why someone sitting in a house in Falkirk would rather watch a conference league match between West Ham and Ferencvaros than their local team is completely lost on me.
It might be lost on you, but it's not lost on the wider population.
I love Scottish football. I watch a lot of it.
But I also understand that it's a niche interest. In the UK, hardly any c**t fucking cares about Scottish football. Expecting it to be front and centre in UK-wide news broadcasts is wild.
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1 minute ago, eez-eh said:
It is a national channel. England has at about a dozen regional channels of its own.
I’m amazed that you still don’t get this.
Do you expect coverage of national English fitba to be on regional channels?
Fair play to you.
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1 minute ago, stu2910 said:
Didn’t say it was a conspiracy. I don’t think the BBC and others are actively trying to suppress Scottish football. Just that it’s a symptom of where we’ve found ourselves.
The same goes for the rest of what you say. The only reason people in Scotland would care more about that English game is because they’ve been conditioned to believe they should. It’s certainly not for the quality or the relevance to their life.
Are you saying the quality in England is not much better?
Do you want a minute to think about that?
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19 minutes ago, stu2910 said:
I don’t necessarily mind that Scottish cup games are only covered on BBC Scotland while FA cup games are covered across the board as there is absolutely more interest in English football in Scotland than vice versa.
The bit that annoys me is that an FA cup first round match between Chesterfield and Havant & Waterlooville will be shown in all BBC regions while a semi final between 2 of our top 5 clubs is exclusively shown in Scotland. English football didn’t become “the best in the world” because England is supposedly the home of football or because they play particularly exciting football. It happened because England learned very early on in the modern era that the best form of marketing was to ram it down our throats relentlessly until we can imagine no world where everyone isn’t utterly obsessed with English football.
It’s another area where Scottish football continually shoots itself in the foot trying to make sure 100 people don’t watch a match from home instead of going, when we should be ensuring Scottish games are shown live as much as physically possible. Why would anybody new become interested in Dundee for example when we’ve been on the tv twice this season and in most seasons that would have resulted in 2 batterings rather than just 1.
That kind of thing is just an issue with default channels and opt-ins and opt-outs for regions. It's not a grand conspiracy.
Say what you like, but a lot of viewers in Scotland like having access to the FA Cup. No c**t in England is arsed about seeing Falkirk v Queen of the South, but plenty of viewers in Scotland will watch Stockport v Tranmere if they put it on as an FA Cup first round game. That's just the way it is.
We're not a consideration for them. We're the same as Welsh football.
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1 minute ago, jakedee said:
Whether it is or not, of any interest to to a general UK audience, or is a national English competition is irrelevant. The BBC is not an English channel (no laughing at the back) and should report on all UK interests.
That's the thing, though. It's not really a national channel. BBC Scotland is for our stuff.
I'm amazed a lot of people still don't get this.
They don't report Welsh Cup results either. The general population make no distinction.
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16 minutes ago, Nutz_the_Squirrel said:
Anything to say about the playlist?
He didn't join in. Just like the rest of them.
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7 minutes ago, PTR said:
Genuinely painful that there will be those out there delighted with the Coventry decision. As mentioned, that's VAR in a nutshell. Surely this isn't what people want football to be? Tragic.
"Well, actually"
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8 hours ago, tarapoa said:
Sometimes it's maybe better just to take the diehards to these occasions !
This is definitely the case. Our 2012 semi against Celtic was one nobody thought we'd win. We took 12,000, and there were folk trying to give away tickets in the run up etc.
A fucking amazing day at the fitba, and I think it was better for just having that smaller support there. Hard to think of a more intense goal celebration than that day. Almost up there with routing the tramps in the final with a full house as an experience.
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7 hours ago, jakedee said:
As "down south" have their own regional BBC channels for "their stuff"
5 hours ago, eez-eh said:And similarly they have their own regional channels down south.
They’re a broadcaster for the whole of the U.K. You’d think that a national cup semi final with 6 goals and 50,000 people at it might get more than a two second mention on the sports bulletin.
Aye, but teams that get reported on on Five Live or BBC Breakfast aren't playing in regional competitions. They're playing in English national competitions, so it makes English news.
BBC Scotland reports on the Scottish stuff. It's of absolutely no interest to the vast majority of Five Live's audience. Scottish people living in England have access to BBC Scotland. It cannot be expressed enough that Scottish football is not of interest to a general UK audience.
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That Coventry decision is a genuine travesty.
Nobody who loves football can want that.
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6 minutes ago, Judy Murray said:
^ tinpot
Just now, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:^teapot
Soldier, Spy.
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2 hours ago, 18BAIRN76 said:
At the stage of genuine bemusement that the TV cameras in Scotland can broadcast a Championship game with 1,200 people and get all “we’re very sorry if the language has offended you” when some old boy goes “f**k sake, ref”, but 25,000 people bellow out about being up to theirs knees …….. and everyone just pretends like it doesn’t happen.
Important to remember that it's a small minority and that loads of Rangers fans are decent folk who would never join in with that stuff and hope to see it stamped out. They really do. .
Definitely.
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Chasing VAR out of Scotland
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NEVER.