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Remember 3 years ago we got Scotland tournament compo for two players, one of which that played silly buggers 6 months before. Safe to say that is not a revenue stream this summer.

St Mirren fan takes over another thread because someone made a criticism ..... Aberdeen's new manager .... boom. Other teams match threads not involving St Mirren ... boom. It's a sad recurring pattern Nothing mentioned about on field performance. And its not a cop out not to indulge you, a recognition you'd be at this all day back and forth. Away and dig out your passport, enjoy your day in the sun and stay classy.

I said you're going to have a reckoning like we did back then, to assume otherwise I agree is delusional. Ours at the time were mental fuelled by a host of craziness both in our boardroom and with digital TV which is a different age. Let's set a date in the diary for 2030 and see who gets to whip out the "told you so".

Any of it untrue?

Well party through the message of the video not fully hitting the brief marked by JM doing a talking head the next day to set things straight and you can't control who or what interested parties bring to the table. But also as alluded by @Busta Nut and others an underlying mistrust that the WS can competently give direction to the club, some "adults" are needed in the form of a proven business(man). For what you're saying only works if the exec board believe in and are true to the ideals of fan ownership. I don't believe that is the case, maybe they were but not now. The Aussie bid appears to have been sat on the table for far longer than it should have especially when its contents were so unpalatable. Low ball offers were already on the table before the WS vote, not as a result of it. The video was made because JM at his own admission dropped the ball. With an exit strategy planned the video was a sticky plaster fix. Driven by not empowering the society or previously implementing improvements in the standard commercial/hospitality/ticketing/advertising revenue streams. Prior to October 2023 it was weakened and hobbled during and in the aftermath of Les moving on for expediency and very much by design. There is a massive disconnect by the architects of that bad faith that they engineered it as thus and it became a self fulfilling prophecy of stagnancy, poor transparency and disconnect from its membership and not a great track record to trade on. As for the no binding vote, yes it stymied the WS and we are were are. I initially voted yes thinking about how what has happened at Wrexham has transformed them and in all likelihood the fans will get the club back or bobbing along in the championship/div 1 at worst opposed to a slow death spiral in the conference. I didn't want to rule out something like that as its the gold standard of football club investment only vying with the Anderson involvement at Hearts. I changed my vote to no when I actually thought it through and what it meant for us. If or when the current offer on the table sees light, what we see will have been tweaked numerous times, we need to ask ourselves what it must have been like back in January in its first draft.

We really shouldn't be getting twitchy about teams like St Mirren using our squad from 4 years ago to emulate our league placings/summer tours from 10 years ago which will ultimately lead to a similar financial reckoning that we had 20 years ago. Many clubs will have the same reckoning in the years ahead for their "success" today. We sought offers of investment not invitations to instigate a takeover. It was supposed to be added means to supplement our turnover, not to cede control. Many dug deep for a large lump sum to hasten a Boyle exit before a more manageable direct debit was an option and done to realise our own destiny for better for worse. With the wrong type of investment accepted we would be potentially facing buying out a rich businessman for the third time within 20 years when we were sold on it being a one time only. All this talk of 50+1 or 49% is moot and mostly symbolic, the Bois in Block E should be making banners with "MIN 4 EXEC DIRECTORS & CASTING VOTE" as that is much more important.

Les insisted the WS contribute a regular income stream since 2016/2017 which hasn't been secured (however no doubt recorded) so 7 years of approximately £100k+ puts that £1.43 figure north of £2m in reality. If those funds were currently held by the WS (as was envisaged and sold to us at inception) then we would able to convey our solvency for 3 years not just 18 months when audited in October. A primary driver of this is it is felt the WS can’t make up the shortfall in a perfect storm season. Jim has presided over the club now for 7 years approximately. If anyone can cite any particular revenue streams or initiatives he is responsible for and will cease when he leaves it could really add to the debate. If there are none then I am unsure why the WS are being held to a higher financial standard than their predecessor.

You do, but there is also a smart arse tax so it turns out you actually owe them £300.

It has always surprised me the disconnect between employing a couple of reps on a generous commission structure was often overlooked over giving a gig to a £1k p/w jobber. Giving someone a job where they are incentivised to bring in a multiple of their salary really isn’t a big ask.

Thought he was cross border jiggery pokery like Humphrey?

It's something we continue to do in our socials (however not as overtly as before) but probably in every academy first pro contract and guys like KVV and Theo, we'll give you a platform and won't stand in your way if you do us a turn. I'm willing to forgive a bit of the tactical stuff with Ketts partly due to his age and this closed season will be very much his team fully. His initial success was putting round pegs in round holes, this season has been marked by much more tinkering. Having the players gee'd up at kick off is very much on him and that has been lacking. Most of the contracts of those he inherited are up and a number are at the top end of our wage bracket. If Theo goes as rumoured for £750k plus, that equates to 4/5 first team starters on £3-3.5k p/w. Give up one player to bring in those potentials in the hope of recreating the same success in summer 2025 then I'm all for it, he has a proven he is capable. Doing well in the transfer market is the dark arts however and maybe we're buoyed by the back to back returns of KVV and Theo on and off the park. I can't recall the last player we bought we sold for money, everyone arrived for free or were promoted from the Academy. Maybe Marvin Johnson?

I'm all for benefitting the attacking team unless there's clear air between the lines, the game is about goals after all. Overlapping lines can get in the bin. As fan owned we were consulted at the 11th hour despite a vote being on the cards for a month before it. There are moves to stop that sort of thing going forward. I would have voted for it because my perception is the OF get too many dodgy decisions, however as implemented as a re-refereeing of games has sucked the joy out of live matches. If done right it could be an asset but we really shouldn't be surprised it was rushed in half arsed and is a mess because that is the sort of shit we do as a nation.

Ha yeah. If Kettlewell had also extended a beady eye and that coaching to some bombscare defenders, turning them into something resembling competence, then we may have done better than 9th.

I'll never understand why Nicholson's take get such coverage on here. Because it makes it to a physical newspaper, it has more credibility that the ramblings of another roaster on here at 2am when it really shouldn't. He's just another inmate at the asylum that's got hold of a crayon fuelled by personal relationships over objectivity. *I often post at 2am

Fringe benefit, 5th in the cinch doesn't get Europe if they did.