The Saintee Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Also, while we're on the subject. How did Benjen manage to be dead, but still manage to not become a member of the Night Kings army? Or is it a slow process he's just half through? It's possible that someone intervened to prevent that happening. The Three Eyed Raven or one of The Children of the Forest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 It's possible that someone intervened to prevent that happening. The Three Eyed Raven or one of The Children of the Forest. Was he the not the one seen getting stabbed with dragon glass by the Children of the Forest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, ajwffc said: Was he the not the one seen getting stabbed with dragon glass by the Children of the Forest? I thought that was more the origins of White Walkers. As far I know its, stabbed by a certain type of glass while still alive = White Walker, killed by White Walker/wight = wight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, ajwffc said: Was he the not the one seen getting stabbed with dragon glass by the Children of the Forest? Nope. That was the Children essentially making the NK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Also b*****ds are more commonly named for where they are raised rather than where they are simply born. So it's Snow rather than Sand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Sand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 4 hours ago, The Saintee said: It's possible that someone intervened to prevent that happening. The Three Eyed Raven or one of The Children of the Forest. He states that he was left to die by the Walker that wiped out his patrol but the Children of the Forest found him and stabbed him with Dragonglass to prevent him turning into a wight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 On 25/08/2016 at 06:38, BradHorse said: I didn't fully appreciate it at first but I firmly believe Littlefinger will end up on the Iron Throne at the end. Everything about his character makes sense without being obvious which was kinda GRRM's speciality. I think Sansa's story arc is mapped closely on Elizabeth I of England, even her physical appearance is similar to a young Elizabeth. GRRM does like to follow history in his stories so she is one of the three who appear to be in the race to the throne, those three being Littlefinger, Dany and Sansa. Dany in the Charles II option, a return to the old order. In the real world that simply ended with the Glorious Revolution and the movement towards constitutional monarchy, Littlefinger is the rise of the merchant classes, but a more meritocratic society. Sansa would be the Elizabeth I, lucky to reach the throne and because of her weaknesses prevented her from being an absolute monarch she ended up being arguably a great monarch (more religiously tolerant than Edward or Mary who proceeded her for example). If people like the stories enough to rewatch Id really recomend imersing yourself in an afternoon of GoT Academy and Alt Shift X. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqBYWvKcQCk5JbRQbO05X0w https://www.youtube.com/user/JaiWbio You will probably learn more about British\European history from them two than from school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 On 2016/09/03 at 14:20, The Saintee said: It's been happening there because folks are killed by the Others. The bodies of Stannis's and Ramsey's men etc won't resurrect as they weren't killed by the Others/Wights. Why did Ygritte ask John Snow to burn her body then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Why did Ygritte ask John Snow to burn her body then? It's standard for the Wildling dead to be burned. Because they have lots of experience of seeing resurrection and they fear it happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 20 minutes ago, The Saintee said: It's standard for the Wildling dead to be burned. Because they have lots of experience of seeing resurrection and they fear it happening. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Torwynd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 36 minutes ago, dorlomin said: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Torwynd And he died beyond The Wall. It's also a proximity thing for where The Others are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Jon Sand -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, The Saintee said: And he died beyond The Wall. It's also a proximity thing for where The Others are. You seem to have made up a rule no one else knows about. The Others raised the dead before the Wall was built, they have raised from the dead, people they did not kill. They seem to need to be nearish the corpse but likely reanimated a dead Ranger who was the other side of the Wall (the one who attacked Mormont in Castle Black). Do you have a source for your rule (what ever it is)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 16 minutes ago, dorlomin said: You seem to have made up a rule no one else knows about. The Others raised the dead before the Wall was built, they have raised from the dead, people they did not kill. They seem to need to be nearish the corpse but likely reanimated a dead Ranger who was the other side of the Wall (the one who attacked Mormont in Castle Black). Do you have a source for your rule (what ever it is)? The Others come from beyond The Wall and are currently most powerful in that realm. They can't, as yet, cross The Wall. They can resurrect people/animals as Wights directly. People who die North of The Wall generally seem to rise as Wights due to the presence of The Others in the region which is why the Wildlings burn their dead. The Ranger that attacked Mormont died beyond The Wall and was one of Benjens men. Now we know that they were attacked by The Others. The men who died in battle at Winterfell are not near The Others or their magic so haven't risen as Wights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 25 minutes ago, The Saintee said: The Others come from beyond The Wall and are currently most powerful in that realm. They come from men. They were turned into the White Walkers by the Children of the Forest. There is nothing to suggest their power is linked to north of the Wall specifically. They were certainly powerful in the War for the Dawn that was fought way below where the Wall now stands. The Wall was raised to keep them out of the world of men (and perhaps to limit the spread of civilised men north). Whether they are powerful when the cold comes or just bring the cold with them is an open question. Its not the presence of The Others that raises the dead but an act of magic by them. They cannot move south of the Wall so they cannot reach there. Yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, dorlomin said: They come from men. They were turned into the White Walkers by the Children of the Forest. There is nothing to suggest their power is linked to north of the Wall specifically. They were certainly powerful in the War for the Dawn that was fought way below where the Wall now stands. The Wall was raised to keep them out of the world of men (and perhaps to limit the spread of civilised men north). Whether they are powerful when the cold comes or just bring the cold with them is an open question. Its not the presence of The Others that raises the dead but an act of magic by them. They cannot move south of the Wall so they cannot reach there. Yet. I know that and have already posted that. But after the War they seemingly retreated to the Land of Always Winter. They can't cross The Wall yet because of the magic used to build it apparently. When we first see a Wight no magic is explicitly used. Royce simply dies fighting one. This is the same for Othor who rises to attack Mormont. The point you raise about Tormunds son is a good one. He dies North of The Wall. Not in combat with a Walker and not raised directly by a Walker or presumably Tormund would have mentioned it. The only Wights we see are people/animals who have died on the Northern side of the Wall. So it takes the influence of the Walkers to raise Wights. It is maybe a good clue that an unnatural cold caused by the presence of The Others killed Torwyn. That's what I mean. They can't leave yet and are most powerful North of The Wall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 16 hours ago, Stellaboz said: Jon Sand This shit got really boring really quickly -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Now the proud owner of three Game of Thrones tattoos with another one or two scheduled, just in case the ending doesn't go as planned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 ^^^ Going to be really disappointed when the Knight's King is on the throne and everyone else is dead / wights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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