THE KING Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 What's this about the SD deal being lied about? http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?/topic/293315-eskbank-any-rst-apology/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 That is disingenuous in the extreme to use that as evidence that the ASA recognise Rangers as a new club, given what the ASA decision ultimately was. A very kind person would call it tenuous, but it isn’t even that good. You’re pretty much getting ignored by me after that try. Seriously, the quality of argument on here as nosedived in recent weeks. As witnessed by the use of blogs such as that by the utterly discredited Phil Threenames. new Rangers Football Club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 That's it? Seriously? *leaves thread* Another case of just ignoring the truth. Ye neep ye! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Just saw a spoof April 1st newspaper headline where Aston Villa are to start charging fans £5 for leaving early. Hope for the sake of the subway loyal that honest Dave doesn't see it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) Good to see that even the chief exec ridicules those that made the appeal.True that those philharmonic orchestra dudes are so petty. Better to see he agrees that Rangers are a new football club. Edited April 1, 2016 by stonedsailor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 So Tedi.... ASA announce Rangers to be a new club in their annual statement. UEFA rules don't allow a club to change legal form in the case of insolvency. FIFA allow the transfer of player registrations without compensation to the new Rangers. The SFA'S independent panel declared that new Rangers did not inherit rights of arbitration set in place by old Rangers over the TUPE rebels. New Rangers drop their claim to arbitration over old Rangers tupe rebels. Have I missed any institutions why recognise continuation? Every time the rules are tested we see new club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 So Tedi.... ASA announce Rangers to be a new club in their annual statement. UEFA rules don't allow a club to change legal form in the case of insolvency. FIFA allow the transfer of player registrations without compensation to the new Rangers. The SFA'S independent panel declared that new Rangers did not inherit rights of arbitration set in place by old Rangers over the TUPE rebels. New Rangers drop their claim to arbitration over old Rangers tupe rebels. Have I missed any institutions why recognise continuation? Every time the rules are tested we see new club. Alias onslaught warning!....but but, Leeds, 54titles..salty tears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 MB "That's what the side letters said, you see. “The club†would indemnify the players against all potential liabilities. Tricky." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Regardless what ASA say, they have nothing to do with football. It is funny though. People try to wind up rangers fans with pointless bull, clearly succeed in winding them up, rangers fans declare it a massive victory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 They didn't, they confirmed that we were the same club after consulting with UEFA on the matter. This did actually happen Stoney, I know from the numerous posts you made around the time of the appeals that you were hoping that it turned out differently but unfortunately for you it did not happen. Monkey and Strichener have moved on and now admit that it was utterly ridiculous for celtic fans to be raising such appeals in the first place, an opinion now echoed by the Chief Exec of ASA, he would obviously prefer that such lunatics were not able to do so in the first place as it is a complete waste of their time. That is hilarious. You contrive to make it sound like UEFA confirmed it when they did no such thing. If your position was as strong as you claim you wouldn't feel the need to misrepresent the facts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 So ASA consulted UEFA about 'Rangers' UEFA replied to this consultation about 'Rangers' and confirmed that its own rules allowed for sporting continuity of a clubs match record, despite a change in corporate structure. You think they were talking about some other club? and you claim it is me trying to misrepresent the facts...really? Do you think the celtic fans were wrong / mental to appeal to the advertising agency? ASA did not ask about rangers. Why on earth are you lying? You can look this stuff up ffs. It makes your position look weak when you attempt to back it up with pish. Regarding the people complaining, I assume they were trying to annoy rangers fans and in that they succeeded. It's a bit over the top in my view but in many ways not that different from posting here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I am not lying about anything, stop lashing out. As I said, that might have been their purpose in the beginning, but in the end you would have to be completely thick to dispute that it backfired on them spectacularly. Lashing out? What on earth are you on about? I'm merely pointing out your continued (and expected) mendacity. ASA asked if a club could change legal form - UEFA said yes. Unfortunately for you neither the question nor answer has any relevance to (or mention of) rangers. You keep saying it backfired, yet you are still going on and on about it years later. That's how much it annoyed you - you simply can't let it go. As a wind up it seems to have been 100% successful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 1.So wait are you claiming that ASA never mentioned Rangers when they wrote to UEFA even though they were specifically investigating the Rangers case? 2.Why on earth would they not do this? especially since they did specifically mention 'Rangers' to the ECA and Scottish FA when they consulted them, why would they mention Rangers to these organisations but not UEFA? 3.Why would UEFA confirm that 'sporting continuity' of their match record could continue when 'corporate structure' has changed? 1. Claiming nothing. This is what the ASA said they asked. 2. How would I know? Not knowing why someone did A doesn't mean they did B instead. I could easily say why didn't they just ask UEFA, "Are sevco a new club?". I will happily agree the choice of question is extremely odd if you like? 3. Er, because (unless they get liquidated) it can. ASA for some reason never mentioned liquidation. You know - it IS odd. One of life's little mysteries I suppose. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 They didn't, they confirmed that we were the same club after consulting with UEFA on the matter. This did actually happen Stoney, I know from the numerous posts you made around the time of the appeals that you were hoping that it turned out differently but unfortunately for you it did not happen. Monkey and Strichener have moved on and now admit that it was utterly ridiculous for celtic fans to be raising such appeals in the first place, an opinion now echoed by the Chief Exec of ASA, he would obviously prefer that such lunatics were not able to do so in the first place as it is a complete waste of their time. They never confirmed you are the same club. They asked UEFA if it was possible to change legal form, which it is but not in the case of insolvency as the Timisoara case proved beyond a doubt. What about the rest of the points? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the 67 Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 New club/ old club argument....again..... Might have guessed tedi the moon howler would be right at the heart of it again. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 54 and counting Let the others come after us , we welcome the chase -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I guess this is roughly how it went in wee Aofjays mind. Hello SFA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed celtic fans have been wasting our time with appeals about Rangers, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about Rangers. Hello ECA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed celtic fans have been wasting our time with appeals about Rangers, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about Rangers. Hello UEFA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed fans have been wasting our time with appeals about a club, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about a club. Tedi making shit up again. No surprise there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I guess this is roughly how it went in wee Aofjays mind. Hello SFA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed celtic fans have been wasting our time with appeals about Rangers, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about Rangers. Hello ECA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed celtic fans have been wasting our time with appeals about Rangers, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about Rangers. Hello UEFA, this is ASA, some daft obsessed fans have been wasting our time with appeals about a club, we are duty bound to investigate and we have a question about a club. No, I just repeated what the ASA said that they said. I'll leave making up stories to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 So these EBTs. If Rangers truly are the same club I would expect them to help their former players out by standing by their original contracts and fulfilling their PAYE responsibilities. No? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aofjays Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 So these EBTs. If Rangers truly are the same club I would expect them to help their former players out by standing by their original contracts and fulfilling their PAYE responsibilities. No? Someone said the side letters claim "the club" is liable. If that is true watching all the doublethink is going to be entertaining as hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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