No8. Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 But if the board hadn't vastly overspent to guarantee title, would they have turned up in such numbers ? Yes. We actually sold more for the 4th tier than we did when we had players like Jelavic and Naismith playing...we replaced them with Kane Hemmings and Barrie McKay and still sold more. Not sure when we signed the majority of the players...last summer was one long , never ending nightmare and i try not to think about it over much.. but i am sure i had my season ticket before we signed the distinctly average players we did 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Paul Murray? Was he not on the board when Whyte was there and paying nobody? Was he not one of the Blue Knights that when push came to shove did nothing to save the club and was in fact party to the club/company going into Administration and finally Liquidation? What links does Whyte have with Green? Has this been proven yet? Are we really at the stage where we believe anything Craig Whyte says? I would much prefer Green was still there than have certain others on the board but them being there will not stop me going along to support the club. We will be there long after they have gone. If the club is mismanaged again then we as support must be prepared to do something to get those responsible out. We will cross that bridge when we come to it and the way the company is set up now that should be much easier. You not buying a season ticket is really neither here nor there as you have shown you will go to all the games anyway...there are 10s of thousands that wont though and ultimately that could be fatal for the club...I know you don't want that D&P were only going to sell to Green and co, it was a stitch from day one and we clapped ourselves on the backs for filling Ibrox while in administration. Money paid by Whyte into several accounts including Imran Ahmads(sp) mothers accounts. Green has also admitted the links to Whyte. I'd rather Green was never at the club at the first place so we'll disagree about that. I reckon that time has come. the club is in complete disarray. I went to the games this season, next season remains to be seen. If we haven't learned anything over the last few years then do we deserve a club? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 D&P were only going to sell to Green and co, it was a stitch from day one and we clapped ourselves on the backs for filling Ibrox while in administration. Money paid by Whyte into several accounts including Imran Ahmads(sp) mothers accounts. Green has also admitted the links to Whyte. I'd rather Green was never at the club at the first place so we'll disagree about that. I reckon that time has come. the club is in complete disarray. I went to the games this season, next season remains to be seen. If we haven't learned anything over the last few years then do we deserve a club? Not proven Not proven Green did some excellent work selling 38,000 season tickets...over £20 million in a share issue...etc. I only wish you knew the sort of people we could soon have on our board. If you don't want to support the club that is fine. It is entirely up to yourself...nobody should feel obliged to go along to the games if they don,t want to. Boycotts will kill the club...Won't bother the likes of Whyte, Green and the rest...SDM might feel it a little but at the end of the day they will all move on to something else. We will be left with nothing. Do i deserve a club? Yes i most certainly do...Through thick and thin and through the straits broad and narrow. Times like this are difficult and unfortunately Hearts and one or two others might have to go through a similar experience but it is us...the supporters who have to make sure the clubs survive. Never has it been more evident that the supporters really are the clubs...sure chairman often spouts this line to appease us but we proved that it is true 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 There was a shit load of one off fees this season including paying back uncle Charlies loan (?) which was used to buy the club, we have reduced tv income for the next two seasons as well as advertising/sponsorship etc. If the clubs being run properly we should be able to sustain things for the next few years but we need to be sensible. Both the Record and Hearld have been briefed in the last 24hrs that rangers are loosing millions Loosing millions? Are the turning notes into loose change so that when they are losing it it does not feel like such a loss? Sent from my iPhone 5 Black Diamond using Pie and Bovril mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 This. If we stop supporting the team then cut backs will be made, people will lose jobs and we will struggle to ever get back to where we belong, no wonder our enemies congratulate and encourage this strategy it would indeed be the end of the club. I will renew and continue to hope the club survives. Seriously Tedi ! enemies ? get a grip mate it's only plastics & diddies having a laugh at the demise of the biggest cheats in Scottish fitbaw getting their just desserts . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 D&P were only going to sell to Green and co, it was a stitch from day one and we clapped ourselves on the backs for filling Ibrox while in administration. Money paid by Whyte into several accounts including Imran Ahmads(sp) mothers accounts. Green has also admitted the links to Whyte. I'd rather Green was never at the club at the first place so we'll disagree about that. I reckon that time has come. the club is in complete disarray. I went to the games this season, next season remains to be seen. If we haven't learned anything over the last few years then do we deserve a club? Right bennets account has been hacked! f**k me but thats bang on the money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Can't see Rangers losing 2 mill per month, Thought it was supposed to be about 1 mill per month. Whatever it is its too much for them to survive the next season without season ticket money if they only have 8 mill left in that bank account. If they last all of next season then the season after should be fun. Watch for ticket prices going back to SPL levels There will be almost nothing left in the bank at the end of the season judging on the clubs total expenditure for the whole season after bonuses are paid out for reaching the SFL 2nd division.I have posted figures myself from known transactions and it is shocking the amount of debt the club is carrying into next season. There was a shit load of one off fees this season including paying back uncle Charlies loan (?) which was used to buy the club, we have reduced tv income for the next two seasons as well as advertising/sponsorship etc. If the clubs being run properly we should be able to sustain things for the next few years but we need to be sensible. Bennett ! how many times do you need told that the club itself without any one off fees is losing around £1 million a month on the finances it is generating to the outgoings it has to service.The IPO money apparently has been used to pay the one off fees and other debts including the clubs accumulating losses but the club itself next season will not have enough money from all it's income revenue streams to plug the massive black hole.Options are to sell the stadium on leaseback and the sale of Murray park if things get that desperate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yes. We actually sold more for the 4th tier than we did when we had players like Jelavic and Naismith playing...we replaced them with Kane Hemmings and Barrie McKay and still sold more. Not sure when we signed the majority of the players...last summer was one long , never ending nightmare and i try not to think about it over much.. but i am sure i had my season ticket before we signed the distinctly average players we did It did surprise me to be honest. Fair play (coff) ..... Price would have a lot to do with it. And the defiance. I am keeping clear of predictions this time, the troops seem to be worn down, but the price freeze will help, although if it is another raft of concessions then it will fall wae short of what will be trumpeted in the press as the amount of cash raised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 There will be almost nothing left in the bank at the end of the season judging on the clubs total expenditure for the whole season after bonuses are paid out for reaching the SFL 2nd division.I have posted figures myself from known transactions and it is shocking the amount of debt the club is carrying into next season. Bennett ! how many times do you need told that the club itself without any one off fees is losing around £1 million a month on the finances it is generating to the outgoings it has to service.The IPO money apparently has been used to pay the one off fees and other debts including the clubs accumulating losses but the club itself next season will not have enough money from all it's income revenue streams to plug the massive black hole.Options are to sell the stadium on leaseback and the sale of Murray park if things get that desperate. Stop making things up in an attempt to look as if you're 'in the know'. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Seriously Tedi ! enemies ? get a grip mate it's only plastics & diddies having a laugh at the demise of the biggest cheats in Scottish fitbaw getting their just desserts . Several bloggers and other types have classed themselves as enemies of the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Not proven Not proven Green did some excellent work selling 38,000 season tickets...over £20 million in a share issue...etc. I only wish you knew the sort of people we could soon have on our board. If you don't want to support the club that is fine. It is entirely up to yourself...nobody should feel obliged to go along to the games if they don,t want to. Boycotts will kill the club...Won't bother the likes of Whyte, Green and the rest...SDM might feel it a little but at the end of the day they will all move on to something else. We will be left with nothing. Do i deserve a club? Yes i most certainly do...Through thick and thin and through the straits broad and narrow. Times like this are difficult and unfortunately Hearts and one or two others might have to go through a similar experience but it is us...the supporters who have to make sure the clubs survive. Never has it been more evident that the supporters really are the clubs...sure chairman often spouts this line to appease us but we proved that it is true Seriously? Lets just ignore the links between D&P and Shyte (Grier) How it can it be not proven when Greens admitted that monies were paid into several accounts? McCoist sold the season tickets, not Green. If McCoist never made that statement then i believe we wouldn;t have sold a fraction of what we did. I do support the club but will i support the likes of Green and his investors? I'm not talking about boycotting, i'm talking about withholding money for say 4 - 6 weeks to send a message and maybe give us some transparnecy. Then the supporters should realise their true power, the G&G's withheld funds to oust their old board ..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Not proven Not proven Green did some excellent work selling 38,000 season tickets...over £20 million in a share issue...etc. I only wish you knew the sort of people we could soon have on our board. If you don't want to support the club that is fine. It is entirely up to yourself...nobody should feel obliged to go along to the games if they don,t want to. Boycotts will kill the club...Won't bother the likes of Whyte, Green and the rest...SDM might feel it a little but at the end of the day they will all move on to something else. We will be left with nothing. Do i deserve a club? Yes i most certainly do...Through thick and thin and through the straits broad and narrow. Times like this are difficult and unfortunately Hearts and one or two others might have to go through a similar experience but it is us...the supporters who have to make sure the clubs survive. Never has it been more evident that the supporters really are the clubs...sure chairman often spouts this line to appease us but we proved that it is true I know we have bashed to death the difference between company, license holder etc. But it is important you see the club being something separate from the current owners and directors. A boycott will not kill the club. What a boycott can do is make the current Sevco setup unsustainable. The boycott could help force them into calling in the administrators. That way you have a chance to get rid of the cancers (meant chancers, but cancers is probably just as good), crooks and general wide boys. What is essential is when that happens the Rangers fans must have their new setup in place, made up of genuine supporters. Not idiots and ego trip merchants like fatso Dingwall, but people who know how to run a business properly. And can negotiate properly to get the right deal. Whoever leads it gets the supporters behind them in an honest and transparent way. OK, you will have another year of pain in Div 3, but at least you have a chance to create something that can be successful, built on solid foundations. And whether you or bothered or not, I suspect most normal supporters of other clubs would be behind you. Edited May 17, 2013 by thelegendthatis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Good to see the BRALT back on form. Why did AWR get banned? Won't miss him. Interesting posts from the Bennett twins. Roll on next week for the next instalment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuoAnLai Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I said a long time back that there's a distinction between making money for Rangers and making money from Rangers. The only source of cash is the fans. There is an opportunity now for fans to take control. Who gives a toss if the company that owns the assets that is the club or whatever goes tits up. Rangers fans ensure that there is a Rangers and that's all. I'm a Pars fan looking forward to a DAFC with fans involved in the running of the club. Rangers fans have the chance to step up and take control, instead of just stumping up the cash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Both the Record and Hearld have been briefed in the last 24hrs that rangers are loosing millions It's 'losing millions'. If they're 'loosing millions', I'm at the head of the queue. Beam me up, Scotty. (Edit] StonedSailor beat me to it. Edited May 17, 2013 by The DA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yep Hellbhoy knows everything about Rangers finances, we all must listen to him afterall this is the same Hellbhoy who proclaimed that negative goodwill was the IPO money and claimed the total investment we had raised was just £22M and the other money detailed in the interm accounts was in fact ST money. Accurate as ever :lol: Nope dopey ! I was at the time ascertaining what was what in the interim accounts and I got there eventually .£10 million plus black hole and little money left in the bank from the IPO . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Stop making things up in an attempt to look as if you're 'in the know'. I know a whole lot more than you do about your clubs finances . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Several bloggers and other types have classed themselves as enemies of the club. It's been proven the worst enemies of Rangers is Rangers themselves . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ForeverBlue1872- Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I know a whole lot more than you do about your clubs finances . I don't think that's something to brag about in all honesty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 C+p please , along with http://www.scribd.com/doc/142055727/what-murray-knew 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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