Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Monkey Tennis]

in that timescale we had 2 european champions league group stage appearances and a uefa cup last 16 appearance....

What was your record in terms of wins, draws and losses?

[No8.]

You know how easily that is all countered though don't you, by pointing to Rangers' European record in the last two or three years before liquidation?

So why do you do it?

Aye those Champions League nights and runs to European Finals still haunt me to this day....I would swap it all for a 4-1 hammering away to the mighty Legia Warsaw

Aye the mighty Rosenborg who lost at home to the mighty Sligo Rovers.

Just out of interest does anybody know how Legia Warsaw got on at home the last time they played an Irish team....well an Irish team other than celtic

[No8.]

Yip, I said the last two or three years before liquidation.

2012 - 2 = 2010

2012 - 3 = 2009.

When was that final?

Outline please for me Rangers' Europen record over the timescale I identified.

No8 is clearly implying that early exits in Europe are indicative of elite football in this country struggling in the wake of Rangers' absence from it.

And yet in the years immediately ahead of Rangers' departure from the scene, the record was little different. In fact, Rangers recent record in that arena was simply appalling.

This need of yours to highlight a situation that doesn't actually exist is desperate.

You do realise in the years you are talking about Rangers co-efficient was by far the best of the Scottish clubs competing in European competition

[No8.]

What was your record in terms of wins, draws and losses?

That is of little consequence. When was the last time every Scottish club was knocked out of Europe before the league season had kicked off?

[The DA]

Just for Tedi. I asked this in another thread. I'll let him decide where he'd like to answer it. (BTW the original question was asked of Bennett but Tedi felt he could give a better (read 'more sarcastic') answer.)

Bennett, this isn't meant to be an aggressive post - I'm interested in the views of a Rangers fan.

Do you really not think there's much chance of an admin event this season? If so, I this a common position among the fans you're friendly with?

To me, it seems nailed on, short of another source of funding being found in the next few months or a sell-off of some assets (players, MP, etc.). Has something happened since the last accounts were issued that makes you think things are looking more positive?

I'm not wishing this on Rangers - if they can find a way to get the faithful digging down the back of the sofa, good luck to them - but it seems like one of the groups is missing something.

[AberdeenBud]

That is of little consequence. When was the last time every Scottish club was knocked out of Europe before the league season had kicked off?

They're not.

You do realise in the years you are talking about Rangers co-efficient was by far the best of the Scottish clubs competing in European competition

You're not quite getting this couldn't afford it bit, are you?

Day off and a bottle of whiskey I take it.

[Monkey Tennis]

Aye those Champions League nights and runs to European Finals still haunt me to this day....I would swap it all for a 4-1 hammering away to the mighty Legia Warsaw

Aye the mighty Rosenborg who lost at home to the mighty Sligo Rovers.

Just out of interest does anybody know how Legia Warsaw got on at home the last time they played an Irish team....well an Irish team other than celtic

Grow up No8 mate and discuss the issue.

I'd suggest that nobody on here has taken more delight in Celtic's latest result than me.

However, when you use that somewhat silly "Booming... I tells you" line, you're clearly implying that these poor showings are evidence of a game that is in real trouble and you're tracing an unsubtle link to it and Rangers' current circumstances.

Now you might deny this of course and I can't stop you, but you know fine well that if Rangers were still operating at such a level, you wouldn't be saying it.

It's all rather needy and pathetic.

I don't like seeing you reduced to it - honestly.

[AberdeenBud]

It's all rather needy and pathetic.

Indeed, desperate stuff.

[Monkey Tennis]

You do realise in the years you are talking about Rangers co-efficient was by far the best of the Scottish clubs competing in European competition

Weren't Rangers a net drag on the co-efficient during those years?

I'm sure HJ has already established that, although I seem to recall you starting to cry during subsequent discussions.

[AberdeenBud]

It wouldn't be like no.8 just to make stuff up just to suit his weak argument.

[No8.]

Weren't Rangers a net drag on the co-efficient during those years?

I'm sure HJ has already established that, although I seem to recall you starting to cry during subsequent discussions.

Nope...HJ and Craigkillie took it upon themselves to rewrite the rule book to suit their agenda.

Rangers were by some distance the largest contributors to Scotlands coefficient...They both claimed that if you took out Rangers points tally and then divided what was left it would have given Scotland more points...Completely missing the point that Scotland had X amount of entries and they would have to replace Rangers tally with that of a club with less points and then divide it by X. Giving a far smaller total.

[AberdeenBud]

As good as and happy as I am about celtic getting pumped it is still a miserable state of affairs for Scottish Football.

Do not get me wrong, this has nothing to do with Rangers absence, in no way am I suggesting this, in fact given our current situation I believe we would have every chance of an early exit too.

I agree Celtc getting pumped was great, and yes the Motherwell result was embarrassing, but both Aberdeen and St Johnstone eliminating higher ranked opponents is hardly what I'd call a miserable state of affairs.

Of course we could be doing better , and I respect your argument on that front, my beef was more with 8's apparent delight in our teams defeats as it either backs up his previous negative views and/or is somehow linked to rangers absence.

[No8.]

Grow up No8 mate and discuss the issue.

I'd suggest that nobody on here has taken more delight in Celtic's latest result than me.

However, when you use that somewhat silly "Booming... I tells you" line, you're clearly implying that these poor showings are evidence of a game that is in real trouble and you're tracing an unsubtle link to it and Rangers' current circumstances.

Now you might deny this of course and I can't stop you, but you know fine well that if Rangers were still operating at such a level, you wouldn't be saying it.

It's all rather needy and pathetic.

I don't like seeing you reduced to it - honestly.

Now i have answered your point about the co-efficient can you tell me when every Scottish club was out of European Competition before the seaso started?

What was the score the last time Legia Warsaw played a team from Ireland in Poland?

[The DA]

Oh get over yourself, I was not being sarcastic in the slightest, I was genuinely annoyed at yet another thread being hijacked about finance issues when we have this thread to discuss it.

I believe their is a chance of admin, but in no way to I think its a certainty, I believe you predicted that we would run out of money by February, this time last year, yet somehow we limped on, I believe our cost base has shrunk in that time and final season ticket sales will be down around 10k, however in revenue terms that only represents a small drop as prises have risen considerably, a lot of that support will still attend game by game depending on results, a decent cup run could also h elp, so there is a chance we could limp on to next season. After this funding will be easier to obtain and incomes will increase, it all depends on how prudent we are now, not how things have gone in the past few years.

Do you keep notes or something? I can't remember what I said last week, never mind last year. If I said February, I'm mightily impressed by my foresight.

The 'out of money by February' predictions were based on other people's reading of the interim accounts not an area I'm skilled in. They were near enough correct - Rangers needed emergency loans to seem them through.

[No8.]

I agree Celtc getting pumped was great, and yes the Motherwell result was embarrassing, but both Aberdeen and St Johnstone eliminating higher ranked opponents is hardly what I'd call a miserable state of affairs.

Of course we could be doing better , and I respect your argument on that front, my beef was more with 8's apparent delight in our teams defeats as it either backs up his previous negative views and/or is somehow linked to rangers absence.

It is all relative to where both St Johnstone and Aberdeen were ranked though.

In my life time it has never been this poor and the problem is while you try and defend the state of the game with posts like above it will never get any better!!

Forget fucking Rangers for one minute of one day!! The only effect Rangers have had is in celtic not replacing the players they have managed to move on with ones of similar quailty..That obviously has had an effect on them but not the rest of the clubs.

[Monkey Tennis]

Now i have answered your point about the co-efficient can you tell me when every Scottish club was out of European Competition before the seaso started?

What was the score the last time Legia Warsaw played a team from Ireland in Poland?

Question 1) I don't know and I'm not checking because you can no doubt tell me. I'm guessing it's not happened before, but as you know, we've not had such early starts for all our clubs for that long.

Question 2) I think Legia lost, but won the tie. Was that against St Patrick's or Sligo? I'm not sure. If you really think I'm going to say Celtic's collapse the other night was anything other than pitiful and hilarious, you've really been paying little attention.

Question 3) is mine. What the Hell is your point? Seriously, what is it? When you say "Booming... I tells you", what point are you attempting to make and why?

[No8.]

Just for Tedi. I asked this in another thread. I'll let him decide where he'd like to answer it. (BTW the original question was asked of Bennett but Tedi felt he could give a better (read 'more sarcastic') answer.)

Bennett, this isn't meant to be an aggressive post - I'm interested in the views of a Rangers fan.

Do you really not think there's much chance of an admin event this season? If so, I this a common position among the fans you're friendly with?

To me, it seems nailed on, short of another source of funding being found in the next few months or a sell-off of some assets (players, MP, etc.). Has something happened since the last accounts were issued that makes you think things are looking more positive?

I'm not wishing this on Rangers - if they can find a way to get the faithful digging down the back of the sofa, good luck to them - but it seems like one of the groups is missing something.

Out of interest what makes you believe Admin is nailed on? Who do we owe money to that cannot be repaid?

The fall in season tickets is not great but they did go up by 30% so the fall in revenue is not as great as some have suggested and PATG punters will be paying slightly more than last season as well. We could actually break even on that front.

We have signed a couple of new deals but have no idea what the figures are other than they are an improvement on last seasons.

The club merchandise is doing well if the number of people i see wearing the new strips is anything to go by...Mike Cashley will be delighted

We haven't paid a transfer fee and i would think our wage bill will be relatively similar to last seasons but i think you will agree the standard of player brought in is a far higher standard than the players leaving.

There will be a share issue in the not too distant future and i suppose a lot will depend on the outcome of that for the medium to long term future of this company but in the short term (next season) there should be very little problem and certainly none that cannot be overcome.

[Monkey Tennis]

I was genuinely annoyed at yet another thread being hijacked about finance issues when we have this thread to discuss it.

Laughable dear Tedi - simply laughable.

Read the thread in question back. Discussion of admin and its chances of happening was entirely appropriate and in context. The tone of every point made was sober and respectful until you took the huff.

You're a good lad Ted, but you can be a Hell of a touchy pillock at times.

[No8.]

Question 1) I don't know and I'm not checking because you can no doubt tell me. I'm guessing it's not happened before, but as you know, we've not had such early starts for all our clubs for that long.

Question 2) I think Legia lost, but won the tie. Was that against St Patrick's or Sligo? I'm not sure. If you really think I'm going to say Celtic's collapse the other night was anything other than pitiful and hilarious, you've really been paying little attention.

Question 3) is mine. What the Hell is your point? Seriously, what is it? When you say "Booming... I tells you", what point are you attempting to make and why?

AFAIK it has never happened before. There is a reason our clubs have to play this early...Our standing in Europe is almost at an all time low

Legia scraped a draw against St Pats...then hammered them in Ireland. I think St Pats were forced to move their tie to a neutral venue..lost a couple of early goals and then collapsed.

It wasn't celtic lost the other night. Any team can lose any game on the night but they didn't just lose they were absolutely destroyed by at best a mediocre European club side.

Others have claimed the game here is booming...we have never had it so good since Rangers were placed in the bottom tier is a claim that has been made on and off over the last 2 seasons. It is simply not true...The game in this country is in an awful state. Just as the National team seem to be getting a wee run together the club side of things is an utter shambles

[Monkey Tennis]

I remember when it used to be considered negative if we did not have a single club left in euro competition by Christmas, now it is acceptable to many if we have none left by the start of the season.

Look I think its great that we have more competition in the Scottish game with other clubs winning domestic trophies but the European situation shows we are regressing on the European stage and this is depressing.

Yes we are regressing, because effectively, we're not invited.

The comparison you make is disingenuous though. It used to be that sides needed to survive only two or three ties, starting in September/October to reach Christmas and one of these might have been against a Maltese side at a time when such countries were very much weaker than is now the case.