Jacksgranda Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 It started with Jacksgranda making the absurdly flimsy claim that looking at this in any kind of moral sense amounted to "claptrap". He's come out with this kind of rubbish before. He's clearly a decent enough bloke, but he's of the belief that we should all be trying to avoid paying the state what we're due. Quite what sort of society he envisages as the result, he doesn't specify. I pay the state what it's due according to the tax laws/allowances/deductions. I don't pay them what they think they're due. At the minute I'm PAYE (or more accurately PAYDon'tE, as I'm not working) so I'm paying the state what it's due. I never made any comment on your tax affairs. I did however, comment on the view of such matters that you adopt, which strikes me as odd. I took the first bolded statement as comment on my tax affairs, which was a perfectly reasonable assumption in the circumstances. If you weren't lumping me in with "all" you should have made that clear. I find it "odd" that people are perfectly happy paying more (tax) than they need to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I once deliberately sneeked an extra 200 fags into my suitcase on the way back from Gran Canaria once, morally wrong evader me, but its ok cos I am relatively poor. Hanging is too good for you Tedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Were they not required by the football authorities to declare all payments, regardless of whether they could be classed as earnings, loans, whatever?To be honest, I can't remember what they had to disclose.Was their argument then that the loans came from an EBT and therefore didn't have to be disclosed as the club didn't pay them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 To be honest, I can't remember what they had to disclose. Was their argument then that the loans came from an EBT and therefore didn't have to be disclosed as the club didn't pay them? The EBTs were managed by a trust, which had "no connection to the club/company" - I think that was the line peddled on here. So you're probably - legally - right. I leave the moral side of it to others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Grandad, Monkey, ffs leave it. It's as if Dhenbhoy never went away. You still out there, Dhen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 The EBTs were managed by a trust, which had "no connection to the club/company" - I think that was the line peddled on here. So you're probably - legally - right. I leave the moral side of it to others. Again, I'm not sure here, but was the requirement not decidedly all embracing? I thought the requirement was that every type of payment had to be declared, even if a third party was involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Again, I'm not sure here, but was the requirement not decidedly all embracing? I thought the requirement was that every type of payment had to be declared, even if a third party was involved. The requirement probably was - I can't remember either. I was just stating what was posted on here by Rangers' fans that the EBTs were handled by a trust and had nothing to do with the club, the sub text being these EBT payments didn't need to be declared (to the SFA/SPL). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think our moonshiners and smugglers are getting their tax and duty mixed up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Rangers used EBT's and knew they were breaking the law in some sort of smart ingenius way to circumvent the HMRC and the two football associations rules & regulations, they got caught and had to stop using EBT's and then they died as a result of using the EBT scam, it's that simple. What pisses me off completely is the cnut in charge of the SFA at the time of the clubs demise, this cnut sat on the board of Rangers during the EBT scam and knew exactly what the club was doing and was completely complicit in Rangers tax avoidance during the EBT era because he took EBT payments, and this cnut is still in charge of the SFA. This cnut was part of the rewriting of association rules & regulations that removed the rule that killed clubs when the liquidation process was given, and now we have rules that help and aid clubs in racking up huge debts into the millions and how to evade it. This cnut did nothing to help Gretna FC when they folded over but did everything he could to help Rangers still be apparently Rangers even after doing a Gretna. Why is this cnut in charge of our ruling association when he was up to his neck with the cheating at Rangers FC ? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think our moonshiners and smugglers are getting their tax and duty mixed up. Tax avoidance v tax evasion. And now Stoney throws into the blender. Tax v duty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think our moonshiners and smugglers are getting their tax and duty mixed up. Maybe instead of smuggling moonshine they've been drinking it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Tax avoidance v tax evasion. And now Stoney throws into the blender. Tax v duty. Just saying lyk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Maybe instead of smuggling moonshine they've been drinking it... That was the initial joke Bennett tried to make, exploiting his prejudice against those from rural areas. It was nearly quite clever, but sadly, his metropolitan spelling let him down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Is the slack jawed yokel still moaning about big bad Rangers using legal tax avoidance techniques? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Is the slack jawed yokel still moaning about big bad Rangers using legal tax avoidance techniques? Yes. You must find such techniques distasteful too, given your politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Are the lemmings still defending tax dodgers whilst reporting sports shops to the ASA for having a sale? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Yes. You must find such techniques distasteful too, given your politics. I prefer to keep politics out of football talk personally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I prefer to keep politics out of football talk personally. Hard to avoid where certain clubs and their behaviour is concerned, dear chum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Hard to avoid where certain clubs and their behaviour is concerned, dear chum. Well go on to their parts of forum and discuss it there, this for discussing Rangers matters. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Well go on to their parts of forum and discuss it there, this for discussing Rangers matters. No...this is for laughing at Rangers matters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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