Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Bendarroch]

Can someone contact the Mods and ask what happened to all the rangers fans?

Ah, bless, did you miss us?

[Bairnforever1992]

Hello.

The bungler denies - others confirm.

Well see who's right

Silence the media and burn the truth is that what you fans are?

[Guest Kincardine]

Hmm ra peepul have disapeared off this thread for some reason?I see their still all online ,,,but just not here

Not at all.

For what it's worth I think that McConville and The Big Tax case blogger(s) have done a good job in asking questions that we Rangers fans didn't - and have often been proven right.

They also write very well and it's a pleasure to read their posts - McConville particularly.

I think that if they face any threats or intimidation then shame on us as fans. We can disagree with folk but not take umbrage at contrary opinions.

I would ask, though, why they bother. Had Celtic been in our situation I'd have had a laugh for a few minutes then got on with my life. I'd certainly never have dreamt of spending hundreds of hours trying to uncover as much information as possible and then starting a blog about it.

I guess that point, though, won't be accepted by the P&B masses. The disproportionate number of posts about Rangers shows that little else is going on in Scottish football.

[dave.j]

Not at all.

For what it's worth I think that McConville and The Big Tax case blogger(s) have done a good job in asking questions that we Rangers fans didn't - and have often been proven right.

They also write very well and it's a pleasure to read their posts - McConville particularly.

I think that if they face any threats or intimidation then shame on us as fans. We can disagree with folk but not take umbrage at contrary opinions.

I would ask, though, why they bother. Had Celtic been in our situation I'd have had a laugh for a few minutes then got on with my life. I'd certainly never have dreamt of spending hundreds of hours trying to uncover as much information as possible and then starting a blog about it.

I guess that point, though, won't be accepted by the P&B masses. The disproportionate number of posts about Rangers shows that little else is going on in Scottish football.

Just because you wouldn't start a blog, doesn't mean that any other rangers fan wouldn't have.

Lets not forget, it's very easy when the shoe is on the foot, but considering as a fan base you have an unhealthy habit of referencing paediphilia, to generalise and say that rangers fans would move on from this, is for want of a better phrase... A pile of shite.

Good on you tho for saying that you do read and acknowledge the blogs.

[THE KING]

Hiya

Welcome back clampetts.

[Monkey Tennis]

Not at all.

For what it's worth I think that McConville and The Big Tax case blogger(s) have done a good job in asking questions that we Rangers fans didn't - and have often been proven right.

They also write very well and it's a pleasure to read their posts - McConville particularly.

I think that if they face any threats or intimidation then shame on us as fans. We can disagree with folk but not take umbrage at contrary opinions.

I would ask, though, why they bother. Had Celtic been in our situation I'd have had a laugh for a few minutes then got on with my life. I'd certainly never have dreamt of spending hundreds of hours trying to uncover as much information as possible and then starting a blog about it.

I guess that point, though, won't be accepted by the P&B masses. The disproportionate number of posts about Rangers shows that little else is going on in Scottish football.

That's a good post, but I don't see why you've bothered with the bit I've put in bold. I wouldn't produce such blogs either. I don't have the expertise, the skill, the stamina or the inclination. That they did is however a good thing.

Their motives seem to be a pre-occupation for lots of Rangers fans. Personally, I'm sure that as Celtic fans, they're motivated by a loathing of Rangers and a desire to use their knowledge to expose and hammer what happens there. What motivates them is not important however. As you acknowledge yourself, these guys are good at what they do and are actually providing a service for Rangers fans, no matter how unwitting or unappreciated that is.

Leave it at that.

[Guest Kincardine]

What motivates them is not important however.

I haven't any issue with either blogger and I respect their work. Part of me, actually, wishes that they were Rangers fans. Our supporters haven't given that level of analysis and I think we should take a good look at ourselves.

Asking about motive, though, is quite acceptable. Their blogs combined with this forum's over- preponderate number of posts about Rangers makes me think that Scottish football fans need to think about their own team rather than us.

[bennett]

Hello ?

Hello we are the Bi........ ahhh crap i'd better not go there

[wunfellaff]

Welcome back clampetts.

Have you upset Devlin?

On the Orc thread on RTC blogger being named on a blog run by a bigotted chimp with a laptop http://forum.rangers...ic=242057&st=20

His only post

#37 Devlin

• Hello Sailor
  

• True Blue
• 
• 6,547 posts

• Gender:Male
• Location:The Clouds.

Posted Today, 02:56 PM

"The King" - Obsessive wankstain.

:lol:

[THE KING]

1352998392[/url]' post='6809064']

Have you upset Devlin?

On the Orc thread on RTC blogger being named on a blog run by a bigotted chimp with a laptop http://forum.rangers...ic=242057&st=20

His only post

#37 Devlin

• Hello Sailor

• True Blue
• 
• 6,547 posts

• Gender:Male
• Location:The Clouds.

Posted Today, 02:56 PM

"The King" - Obsessive wankstain.

:lol:

Aw dear think I hit a wee nerve with the redneck comments hope paw clampett gets over it

[Bairnforever1992]

I haven't any issue with either blogger and I respect their work. Part of me, actually, wishes that they were Rangers fans. Our supporters haven't given that level of analysis and I think we should take a good look at ourselves.

Asking about motive, though, is quite acceptable. Their blogs combined with this forum's over- preponderate number of posts about Rangers makes me think that Scottish football fans need to think about their own team rather than us.

It's for the better of scottish football a club like Rangers has bullied and stealing money from every creditor. This is us exposing the truth for everyone Scots Law Blog and the RTC TFSM all working to expose it to everyone. And trying to stop the history repeating itself you have been shafted by Murray, Whyte and now Charles Green.

Edited November 15, 2012 by Bairnforever1992

[bennett]

Rangers fans intimidating and threatening anyone who expose the truth about their club,.

And exposing a dodgy director who has poor financial backing and just making up fantasy promises to get more fans to buy into his shares, just like Chris Graham last night on scotnight. He really believes in Charles Green plans without even bothered to ask why is Charles Green making such ludicrous goals that is 5 or 10 years to reach that goal.

Blah blah blah BDO

These injunctions. Most of the time I read about injunctions being enforced it is to stop information coming out.

What is McConville sitting on? I wonder.

His bahooky?

Can someone contact the Mods and ask what happened to all the rangers fans?

[Devlin]

Have you upset Devlin?

On the Orc thread on RTC blogger being named on a blog run by a bigotted chimp with a laptop http://forum.rangers...ic=242057&st=20

His only post

#37 Devlin

• Hello Sailor

• True Blue
• 
• 6,547 posts

• Gender:Male
• Location:The Clouds.

Posted Today, 02:56 PM

"The King" - Obsessive wankstain.

:lol:

Just checking how obsessed with RM P&B actually is

Knew it wouldn't take long to be posted on here

[THE KING]

1352998392[/url]' post='6809064']

Have you upset Devlin?

On the Orc thread on RTC blogger being named on a blog run by a bigotted chimp with a laptop http://forum.rangers...ic=242057&st=20

His only post

#37 Devlin

• Hello Sailor

• True Blue
• 
• 6,547 posts

• Gender:Male
• Location:The Clouds.

Posted Today, 02:56 PM

"The King" - Obsessive wankstain.

:lol:

I see he posted it at 2.56 while he was in hiding from here ,,poor wee soul

[bennett]

More pish from you I see Benny the Ball - and how sweet, Tedi even gave you a greenie for it, poor naiive sod!

Above it was suggested that the Sevco lads would be foaming at the mouth at yer pish, but we all know that creaming in yer pants is more your style.

Keep the pish coming - how to make a complete dick of yersel Lesson 1.0.1 by Benny the Ball

Eh? Are you drunk already?

[wunfellaff]

Just checking how obsessed with RM P&B actually is

Knew it wouldn't take long to be posted on here

Very. Can't let Ra Peeps get away with it again now can we?

Thought I better post it quick as I have a feeling the thread ain't gonna be around for long........

[WhiteRoseKillie]

What a pity for the board WKR (© Dhensebhore) that the poster so readily and wittily acknowledged his error.

What a pity for the board's resident broken-brained fuckwit that he made the accusation in the first place.

Edited November 15, 2012 by WhiteRoseKillie

[Guest Kincardine]

Very. Can't let Ra Peeps get away with it again now can we?

Again you say? I thought Rangers were dead. I know this because at least 20,000 posts have said so.

Talk me through how a dead club can do something again, will you?

[Bairnforever1992]

The Herald says Rangers died on 2012

The development came as the taxman rejected a company voluntary arrangement (CVA), meaning the club will go into liquidation within the next few days.

HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) which was offered just £1.9 million of a debt perceived by the administrators to run to £21m initially, says placing the club in the hands of the liquidators will spark off a detailed independent investigation into the financial affairs of Rangers over the past two decades.

It confirmed the probe could lead to criminal or civil proceedings against directors involved with Rangers over that period.

The taxman appointed joint liquidators from BDO to investigate and wind up the 140-year-old club.

Under the microscope will be whether Whyte ran up debts while the club was effectively insolvent. They are also expected to examine whether the deal that saw Murray sell the club to Whyte for £1 in May last year was legal.

Whyte set up a deal to complete his purchase of the club to sell off the rights to three years of Rangers season tickets to London-based agency Ticketus to raise more than £20m and pay off the club's debt with Lloyds Banking Group.

Court papers show the administrators' legal advisers told Court of Session judge Lord Hodge they believed the Ticketus deal was illegal on the grounds it was indirectly providing financial assistance for the acquisition of Rangers' shares, contrary to the Companies Act 2006.

Insolvency experts also say directors can be found guilty of misfeasance by giving ownership to someone who was not a fit and proper person.

The probe is also expected to look at Rangers' use of Employee Benefit Trusts to pay dozens of players during Murray's ownership. HMRC issued a bill for unpaid tax on the schemes, believed to be in the region on £49m, including interest and penalties.

Rangers fought this through a First Tier Tax Tribunal which concluded in January and is due to issue its determination. It is believed the potential EBT debt faced by the Ibrox club may have been as high as £75m, including penalties and interest.

A Murray Group spokesman said: "This is a very sad day for Rangers but Murray Group and its employees will co-operate and assist fully with any investigation by HMRC or any other official body."

Charles Green, the Yorkshire-based businessman who heads the Sevco consortium which became the preferred bidder with an £8.5m loan to buy the club, said HMRC's position was "massively disappointing" and added: "I think to some extent we have been misled by HMRC."

But HMRC said: "A liquidation provides the best opportunity to protect taxpayers, by allowing the potential investigation and pursuit of possible claims against those responsible for the company's financial affairs in recent years."

HMRC also revealed it was not contesting Mr Green's purchase of the club and was not interested in forcing a fire sale of assets such as Ibrox and Murray Park as "the intention is not to wipe Rangers off the face of the map".

The administrators and Mr Green previously stated that should the CVA fail his offer goes into an "automatic mode" to carry out a newco switch at the Ibrox club, where all assets are sold to a new company for £5.5m. It has never been made clear whether this too is a loan.

But it emerged last night Mr Green may yet face a challenge in his attempts to purchase the business and assets, with three other "newco" offers expected.

Paul Clark, of administrators Duff & Phelps, said there was a full "fall-back plan and that is the sale of business and assets to the Charles Green consortium" and added: "There is no avenue for anyone else to come in at this stage."

The Professional Footballers' Association Scotland has suggested player contracts may not be transferrable to the newco as part of an asset sale which could mean they are able to walk away for nothing.

Mr Green claimed he was "confident" Rangers would be playing in the Scottish Premier League (SPL) next season, despite uncertainty over whether clubs will vote in favour of an application from a newco club.

But fans' groups said they were worried clubs will exile Rangers.

John MacMillan, general secretary of the Rangers Supporters' Association, said: "There is a feeling among a few of the clubs they should let Rangers sink. But if they don't let us into the SPL it is a disaster for Scottish football.

"The situation we are in is an embarrassment to the club in general and it's an embarrassment to the supporters. The bottom line is it has been caused by mismanagement over the last 10 years or so, and Craig Whyte made the situation 10 times worse."

Edited November 15, 2012 by Bairnforever1992

[wunfellaff]

Again you say? I thought Rangers were dead. I know this because at least 20,000 posts have said so.

Talk me through how a dead club can do something again, will you?

Rangers are dead

I was refering to not letting the TUPE across fans get away with it again. You know, the drive to win (or attempt to) at all costs, fair means and foul and all that jazz.....