CityDave Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I don't think that regurgitation of the old "how come black people can use the N-word but I get dirty looks when I scream it at my son's school football match" argument is going to clarify the issue, somehow. Big Ron knew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Anyway, now that the *** debate is settled. The **** were far more advanced than your average Rangers fans, lets get back to the main issues............. 10M left in the bank:lol: :lol: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 You'll try to ignore the Hearts point because it doesn't suit your agenda. Maybe you'll try to ignore the KAH-type stuff as well. Why are you so desperate to cling to this particular insult? Interesting. What "agenda" do you imagine it is that I'm following here? And what makes you think that I'm "desperate to cling on to this particular insult"? We live in an observable reality where propositions can be tested. The statement "Hvn is a sectarian word" can be proven or disproven through logic and experience and, as I've pointed out, quite easily and simply. Why, exactly, do you imagine that disagreement on a statement is evidence of some hidden malice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Whataboutery will not clarify it either, you seem to be struggling with this, dismissing other arguments like they do not exist. I suggest that if you're determined to use terms like "Whataboutery", you should probably look up a definition of it first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Interesting. What "agenda" do you imagine it is that I'm following here? And what makes you think that I'm "desperate to cling on to this particular insult"? We live in an observable reality where propositions can be tested. The statement "Hvn is a sectarian word" can be proven or disproven through logic and experience and, as I've pointed out, quite easily and simply. Why, exactly, do you imagine that disagreement on a statement is evidence of some hidden malice? "Hidden malice"? You're the one who's imagining things. Edited August 11, 2013 by Bearwithme 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 "Hidden malice"? You're the one who's imagining things. Ho hum. Usually, when folk accuse others of having "an agenda" in an argument, they mean some kind of ulterior motive, probably malign. Apologies if you were saying that I have an agenda in some entirely new and complimentary way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Words don't always stick to their origins of course. And you can't blame NI for sectarianism in Scotland. It's been deemed to be sectarian. There are plenty of other words folk can use - as we've seen already. Eh, that renowned lexicographer. no.8 was trying to proclaim others as ignorant, when he seems just as ignorant of its origins and meaning. I suppose that's what happens when you're a self proclaimed loyalist from paisley. My CoS faither faithfully refers to rangers fans as the aitch word. Is he unknowingly using a sectarian insult on himself? I think not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Ho hum. Usually, when folk accuse others of having "an agenda" in an argument, they mean some kind of ulterior motive, probably malign. Apologies if you were saying that I have an agenda in some entirely new and complimentary way. I just meant the point of view you were pushing. Don't think that's new. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Eh, that renowned lexicographer. no.8 was trying to proclaim others as ignorant, when he seems just as ignorant of its origins and meaning. I suppose that's what happens when you're a self proclaimed loyalist from paisley. My CoS faither faithfully refers to rangers fans as the aitch word. Is he unknowingly using a sectarian insult on himself? I think not. Quite a lot of Celtic fans refer to themselves as "F*nians". They used to chant about being "Paddy McCourt's F*nian Army". Does that make it OK for other people to use the term for Celtic? I don't think so. The H-word is banned from here. The abbreviation of Timothy is also banned. Do Ii care? No. There are plenty of other things I could call Celtic fans, if I wanted to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) I believe this is avoiding the main issue such as what happened to those missing millions apparently leaking from Sevco like blood from a torn artery? From the Scotsman : John Brown calls on Rangers fans to save club John Brown has called for Rangers fans to rally to save the club. Picture: SNS by EUAN MCARTHUR Published on the 07 August201300:04 John Brown last night launched a blistering verbal attack on Charles Green – and fears his old club are heading for oblivion. Brown is alarmed to see Green back at Ibrox in a consultancy role after stepping down as chief executive earlier this year and predicts his old club are again on the road to disaster. Brown, who led an attempted buy-out of the club from Green in the summer of 2012, opened his heart about the crisis-hit club he loves. Former fans’ favourite Brown reckons they’re doomed, branded Green a clown, called for Rangers fans to rally and save their club and insisted he’d have Green “by the throat” if he’d threatened him like he did Ally McCoist to win more than just the league title this season. Brown said: “I wish Ally and Walter Smith all the best. But it doesn’t make me feel any happier at what’s gone on. “It’s a ticking time-bomb. Just find out whose name is on the title deeds?” “There’s in-fighting in the boardroom. Behind it all, people have to find out who is pulling the strings? Rangers are leaking money for fun and it can only go on for so long. “My biggest fear is that Rangers will go back into administration because of what’s going on. “Charles Green was never away. He might have had an extended holiday but he was never away because the people who are running Rangers are putting him up front. “Rangers will suffer and they will continue to suffer until they sort it all out. It’s a nightmare scenario but we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.” Brown, now the manager of Dundee, insists the Glasgow club are a sinking ship unless their followers stand up and make their presence felt by taking things into their own hands. He added: “For the sake of Scottish football, Rangers need to survive. But there are too many people who are taking and taking, rather than giving. “Rangers fans give and Dundee fans give so they can give to their football club. “But there are too many takers at boardroom level at Ibrox, including investors. Sooner rather than later there will be no money left. Bang, they will be out of business. Rangers will go down unless the fans stand up and say enough is enough. That’s the only way.” Brown believes Green is simply trying to throw the onus on former Rangers team-mate McCoist, whose side crashed out of the League Cup away to part-time Forfar at the weekend, to take the blame away from himself after telling the Ibrox gaffer that he’d need to win a cup in addition to lifting the title this season. He said: “Green’s comments were a disgrace. If my own directors had said that about me, I would have taken every one of them by the throat. You can have that in a private room but not in public. I told Coisty when we played them in a friendly last Wednesday that it would be a tough game up at Forfar. He had eight guys who played against us who weren’t eligible for Forfar, so the eight coming in were eight guys who knew they wouldn’t be good enough to start under normal circumstances. “So I don’t think you are going to get the same commitment. What Green is doing is covering up what is going on in the background, and throwing it onto the manager. He suddenly comes back after 30,000 plus season-ticket sales. Green is a clown and always has been. Brown admits he worries for McCoist and claims the club he starred for between 1988 and 1997 are losing money hand over fist. He said: “Coisty is Rangers through and through. He is a nine-in-a-row hero. He was a big player through that era and will want to do his best for the football club. “But during the last two years, he has been dealing with not the nicest of people, from Craig Whyte to Charles Green. “Walter always had a David Murray type of character, someone who you could have a good bond with. A lot of success came through that. But Ally wouldn’t know where to turn because before a ball was kicked Green was touting to get Ally the sack. That’s the way he has always worked. “People who’ve been at Rangers in the past must be turning in their graves at what’s going on at that club. “It’s inevitable that Rangers are going only one way. If the money runs out, you can’t the bills and that’s that. “If I were in McCoist’s shoes, I would just be worrying every night about what’s happening to his job. Green has come out with that statement and just thrown everything onto McCoist. “But the biggest issue here is that the club might go out of existence and that is through his (Green’s) stewardship. “Ally McCoist will win that division by 20-plus points with all his players available. I would put my house on that. That’s his job, not to win cups.” “A number of new players come in and it takes time for things to gel which I know from my time at Ibrox. “When I went from Dundee to Rangers, it took me six months to settle in because of the size of the club and the expectations that go with it.” Edited August 11, 2013 by CityDave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I just meant the point of view you were pushing. Don't think that's new. Well, look. There are legal judgements on this issue, which are that the H-word is sectarian, *if* it's used while committing a criminal offence. We know that use of the word is universal in Scottish football, which suggests that my POV is correct here. And we know that using it in conversation is totally non-controversial, because we've all observed this happening. We also know that using sectarian or racist terms in conversation is very controversial, for most people who aren't total bawbags. That heavily implies that I'm spot on here. Against this, you're offering the idea that because Celtic fans call Hearts mini-Hvns etc, this proves that the word means "Protestant". I think this is comparatively flimsy, but I'll let other posters decide who's right. Although obviously, it's me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Quite possibly but the use of the stirrup gave quite an advantage when fighting on horseback, as you'd imagine. The stability offered would allow quicker reactions and give a better platform to generate more force in strikes. If these guys were on strike, how did they manage to win their battles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Tick, tock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 If these guys were on strike, how did they manage to win their battles? Strike = Boycott Then claim victory regardless of how effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Sevco fans really are a pathetic bunch. Keeps me amused though, they play the victim card far better than we ever did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 So when Celtic fans sing (at hearts games) on mass "go home you ****" what are they meaning? Hearts are seen as a mini Rangers, nothing to do with religion It's rather sad seeing you desperate to make it all offensive. I guess, when you have nothing else gong for the company you support, you'll need to find some way to get attention 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Rico, f**k off, you lot are the eternal victims. Rangers can't even beat you at that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Sevco fans really are a pathetic bunch. Keeps me amused though, they play the victim card far better than we ever did. Pacific Shelf fans need to quit whingeing because they can't use a particular insult on here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 So when Celtic fans sing (at hearts games) on mass "go home you ****" what are they meaning? I'd say they mean "go home, you fond-of-Rangers, song-sharing, Celtic-disliking Hearts fans". It's childish and ridiculous, but there it is. I see no reason to assume that they mean "go home you regular attenders of religious services at the Church of Scotland" although to be fair, the Celtic away support is usually chock-full of utter wallopers, so it's always possible that there are a number of inbreeds who think it does mean that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 #believeflyingmonkeyskeepstealingourcharitycash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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