phasma ex machina Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Does he instigate policy at UEFA or any other football association, has he got the responsibility within that organisation to determine such policy or is he just opinionated like yourself, in other words has he any relevance, I think we know the answer to that. Policy? I doubt it, but he does correct their mistakes Swansea were given the Welsh part of their co-efficient by Uefa until he stepped in, and he does consider TRIFC a new club...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) No, because that is opinions, not full documentation on a definitive answer. It's very obvious that not one person on this forum can provide evidence that states this is a new football club, not one can show any documentation on this, why is that. You state you have no plans to look, that will be because you know there is nothing to show what I'm asking for, if there was you would have shown it months ago. Why would the governing body make a statement that contradicts their rule change.Why did the governing body re write their rules, was it a coincidence that your club was on its last legs, and it was done to make sure they didn't lose 50000 customers who attend their cup games etc? You don't want opinion, but you repeat LNS opinion like its gospel, oh the irony! Edited February 14, 2014 by dave.j 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Why would the governing body make a statement that contradicts their rule change. Why did the governing body re write their rules, was it a coincidence that your club was on its past legs and it was done to make sure they didn't lose 50000 customers who attend their cup games etc? You don't want opinion, but you repeat LNS opinion like its gospel, oh the irony! LNS passed that summation as a legal opinion, so why wouldn't it quoted either by myself or anyone else. After al it's a definite that if he opined the other way people, such as yourself, would be quoting it without a doubt. As I said nothing has been documented that this is a new club, however plenty has been shown for the continuity as the same club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Policy? I doubt it, but he does correct their mistakes Swansea were given the Welsh part of their co-efficient by Uefa until he stepped in, and he does consider TRIFC a new club...... He can consider it a new club all he wants but until he applies policy his opinion is like yours and that of plenty more, meaningless. When you can show otherwise in full documentation maybe i'll take notice of you and others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) It's very obvious that not one person can show what was asked for so i'll leave it at that. Denboy, that was his opinion on the legal standing of the club concerning ownership. Whether it was in summation to the SPL is neither here nor ther, it is his legal opinion. As I stated not one person can provide anything I asked for. Edited February 14, 2014 by youngsy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Your question and point is meaningless as we have pointed out .. bye. The question is relevant but of course you can't provide anything asked for....bye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He can consider it a new club all he wants but until he applies policy his opinion is like yours and that of plenty more, meaningless. When you can show otherwise in full documentation maybe i'll take notice of you and others. Which round did you start the Cup in last year???? Full documentation exists for that.... Liquidation? Full documentation almost finished for that.... Points deduction for the start of the 4th tier for a club in admin.....full documentation exists for that. yawn... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 LNS passed that summation as a legal opinion, so why wouldn't it quoted either by myself or anyone else. After al it's a definite that if he opined the other way people, such as yourself, would be quoting it without a doubt. As I said nothing has been documented that this is a new club, however plenty has been shown for the continuity as the same club. It was an opinion given by a legal person but not in any court - it ain't 'law'. It was given in an independent commission funded by the SPL, nothing more. You, yourself, could create a club, draw up a set of rules and invite a dozen of your mates to join. If one of those mates breaks the rules and you eject him from the club, you could then engage a lawyer and ask her whether those rules had been applied correctly. Her saying 'yes' doesn't make it a legally-binding point of law, just confirmation that you'd acted within your club's rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Which round did you start the Cup in last year???? Full documentation exists for that.... Liquidation? Full documentation almost finished for that.... Points deduction for the start of the 4th tier for a club in admin.....full documentation exists for that. yawn... You still can't provide any documentation stating that this is a new club, which is what was asked for, don't deflect, try and show what was asked for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 LNS passed that summation as a legal opinion, so why wouldn't it quoted either by myself or anyone else. After al it's a definite that if he opined the other way people, such as yourself, would be quoting it without a doubt. As I said nothing has been documented that this is a new club, however plenty has been shown for the continuity as the same club. And likewise those opinions of ex players and an ex manager! These guys knew your club inside out, they were part of it. Some would say the most qualified. And they shouted "dead". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 RFFF? Red cards? Rule change? Any rangers fan willing to say why these happened? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 It was an opinion given by a legal person but not in any court - it ain't 'law'. It was given in an independent commission funded by the SPL, nothing more. You, yourself, could create a club, draw up a set of rules and invite a dozen of your mates to join. If one of those mates breaks the rules and you eject him from the club, you could then engage a lawyer and ask her whether those rules had been applied correctly. Her saying 'yes' doesn't make it a legally-binding point of law, just confirmation that you'd acted within your club's rules. Can you provide full documentation from a football authority or legal authority that was asked for, stating that this is a new club. If you can please show. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulliamwallace Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Anyone who is not a zombie does not have to look up "liquidation" to know what it means.No matter what the zombies say every man and his dog knows what really happened, their club cheated and died and will be forever known and laughed at for their cheating, tax dodging and downfall, the whole sorry saga will be in Scottish football's history books until the end of time.Oh the shame and embarrassment of being a zombie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 And likewise those opinions of ex players and an ex manager! These guys knew your club inside out, they were part of it. Some would say the most qualified. And they shouted "dead". Again another that can't provide an answer to the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Even Rangers fans are convinced liquidation was the death of the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Anyone who is not a zombie does not have to look up "liquidation" to know what it means. No matter what the zombies say every man and his dog knows what really happened, their club cheated and died and will be forever known and laughed at for their cheating, tax dodging and downfall, the whole sorry saga will be in Scottish football's history books until the end of time. Oh the shame and embarrassment of being a zombie And yet another who can't provide what was asked for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Even Rangers fans are convinced liquidation was the death of the club ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1392406056.209039.jpg And yet another. Tell you what when any of you can provide what was asked for i'll come back and debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 It's there at Companies House and has been provided many times .. remember Sevco5088? Companies house does not state that this is a new football club, only a new company, the clue is NEWCO, meaning new company. Bye for now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Legally, what is a football "club" how can you buy a "club" without the company? Why didn't Whyte buy the "club" debt free without the "company" doesn't make much sense why he would want to take on that debt does it? Why was Charles Green a man who admitted he was only in it to make money desperate for the CVA to go through when he could simply have bought the "club" without the debt ridden "company" doesn't make much sense he would want to take on that debt does it? Why didn't Bill Miller simple buy the "club" debt free without the "company" debt free? Why didn't the Blue Knights, buy the "club" without the "company"debt free? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Can you provide full documentation from a football authority or legal authority that was asked for, stating that this is a new club. If you can please show. That's like saying 'fish swim'. Why would you need to state the obvious? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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