Taza Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 That was quite clever coming from you, but legally the two countries are now one legally known entity unlike a certain club in Scotland who commited financial suicide because it used every device available to cheat it's opposition even though it actually had the finances to actually compete and win the top tier in Scotland. Correct. If The DDR (East Germany) had also won 3x World Cups prior to re-unification (a crucial word), then Germany would in fact be entitled to wear 7x stars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Part of the deal to buy the club was that Whyte paid the so called small tax case which was uncovered in the latter stages of his take over. Happy to help.. FFS Benny that wasn't the wee tax case that was inherent tax liabilities which is completely different from deliberately withholding tax from the HMRC like what Whyte did for not paying the players PAYG which became known as the wee tax case. Clueless as ever you are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Absolutely fucking priceless. The first one of your posts to raise a laugh in many a month. Might have something to do with my return WRK 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taza Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I'll put you out your misery timmy, Strathclyde police no longer exist. That is true and as all the Scottish police forces were amalgamated to become Police Scotland, the cash is now owed to Police Scotland. Of course as the club owing said cash, also no longer exists and crucially was not amalgamated with or taken over by any other body, I guess they can whistle for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Applepiners, what are they like. When are you moving to Wales Tedi ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taza Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 When are you moving to Wales Tedi ? 19th sept I hear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) That is true and as all the Scottish police forces were amalgamated to become Police Scotland, the cash is now owed to Police Scotland. Of course as the club owing said cash, also no longer exists and crucially was not amalgamated with or taken over by any other body, I guess they can whistle for it. That is true and as all the Scottish police forces were amalgamated to become Police Scotland, the cash is now owed to Police Scotland. Of course as the club owing said cash, also no longer exists and crucially was not amalgamated with or taken over by any other body, I guess they can whistle for it. Why was the debt not settled at the time though? Why did they continue policing games without getting paid. Edited July 19, 2014 by timmy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Correct. If The DDR (East Germany) had also won 3x World Cups prior to re-unification (a crucial word), then Germany would in fact be entitled to wear 7x stars. I think West Germany when unification happened considered East Germany to be a completely different country from the West itself and was seen as annexing more land to the West. There was some political bawbaggery involved and the West was considered to be Germany itself and the East was just occupied territory which was then added to Germany to become Germany and all the East's sporting history was consigned to the history books as that of a different nation that Germany didn't want. It was something along that line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 19th sept I hear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Why was the debt not settled at the time though? Why did they continue policing games without getting paid. A simple answer Timmy, do you think the police would allow 40,000 plus demented supporters to wander the streets of Glasgow if Rangers had lost a vital fixture ?, it was for public safety. It would be cheaper to the public purse to police them than let them run riot in the streets and sending innocent people to the hospitals.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 A simple answer Timmy, do you think the police would allow 40,000 plus demented supporters to wander the streets of Glasgow if Rangers had lost a vital fixture ?, it was for public safety. It would be cheaper to the public purse to police them than let them run riot in the streets and sending innocent people to the hospitals.. They stated that they wouldn't allow them to continue playing without getting paid. They then said that they had reached a deal and would be paid. So why weren't they? Talk of riots is just stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 They stated that they wouldn't allow them to continue playing without getting paid. They then said that they had reached a deal and would be paid. So why weren't they? Talk of riots is just stupid. Talk of riots isn't stupid !, a bad result and no police to control an angry mob then it's public disorder, it is safer and cheaper for the public purse to police it whether or not they get paid. But paying the police keeps the public purse happy. Also to note that both Rangers and Celtic do not pay the police the full amount it costs to police games but pay a fraction of the costs owing to the fact it's better to have policing at the former old firm games than no policing because the police didn't get paid. It's all about public safety and not the fact the clubs are stiffing the public purse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 FFS Benny that wasn't the wee tax case that was inherent tax liabilities which is completely different from deliberately withholding tax from the HMRC like what Whyte did for not paying the players PAYG which became known as the wee tax case. Clueless as ever you are Eh, I thought the WTC was the initial EBT/DOS scheme that a couple of players(klos and deboer?) were placed on until oldco were found liable and Murray moved onto the more aggressive Baxendale EBT scheme? Nothing to do with Whyte, iirc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Talk of riots isn't stupid !, a bad result and no police to control an angry mob then it's public disorder, it is safer and cheaper for the public purse to police it whether or not they get paid. But paying the police keeps the public purse happy. Also to note that both Rangers and Celtic do not pay the police the full amount it costs to police games but pay a fraction of the costs owing to the fact it's better to have policing at the former old firm games than no policing because the police didn't get paid. It's all about public safety and not the fact the clubs are stiffing the public purse. The police can refuse to let a game go ahead. They have the final say on matters. They are also accountable to the public and for them to police rangers games for free is a total waste of taxpayers money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Eh, I thought the WTC was the initial EBT/DOS scheme that a couple of players(klos and deboer?) were placed on until oldco were found liable and Murray moved onto the more aggressive Baxendale EBT scheme? Nothing to do with Whyte, iirc. The EBT tax was the BTC and then Whyte not paying the PAYG then became known as the WTC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 The police can refuse to let a game go ahead. They have the final say on matters. They are also accountable to the public and for them to police rangers games for free is a total waste of taxpayers money. As pish as it is the police have a duty to maintain public order. Do you remember the bears protest from Queens Park to Hampdem ?, how much do you think it cost the public purse to police for the stupid morons to protest about the association that actually concocted they allowed the club to move to a different company ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 As pish as it is the police have a duty to maintain public order. Do you remember the bears protest from Queens Park to Hampdem ?, how much do you think it cost the public purse to police for the stupid morons to protest about the association that actually concocted they allowed the club to move to a different company ? Cancelling one or more games would have caused grumbling from the Bears but I don't think they'd have rioted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 FFS Benny that wasn't the wee tax case that was inherent tax liabilities which is completely different from deliberately withholding tax from the HMRC like what Whyte did for not paying the players PAYG which became known as the wee tax case. Clueless as ever you are Wrong Clueless as ever you are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 As pish as it is the police have a duty to maintain public order. Do you remember the bears protest from Queens Park to Hampdem ?, how much do you think it cost the public purse to police for the stupid morons to protest about the association that actually concocted they allowed the club to move to a different company ? As pish as it is the police have a duty to maintain public order. Do you remember the bears protest from Queens Park to Hampdem ?, how much do you think it cost the public purse to police for the stupid morons to protest about the association that actually concocted they allowed the club to move to a different company ? There is a difference between policing a public demo and a football match. One I would expect the public to fund and the other I wouldn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 The EBT tax was the BTC and then Whyte not paying the PAYG then became known as the WTC. Nope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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