forever_blue Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Is it as lazy as immediately saying I was talking pish about the OO Paramilitary thing, when a 2-second google would have uncovered the fact that I wasn't? I agree with you that it's not strange knowing these things. It is strange mentioning them. Do any of these sentences seem normal to you: "So I went to the football the other day with Dave the Sikh ". "So I went running the other day with Bob, he's a Jew". etc. It was an odd comment. Sorry I was not aware of the comment as it seems to be from about 15 years ago , I would have ben 5-6 at the time so excuse my ignorance to the comment , however it was not exactly the call to arms or in the immediate run up to the yes campaign as I thought you were claiming it was to be, so aplogies , it does certainly come across as a stupid thing to say Edited July 12, 2015 by forever_blue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Why even bother to respond to this guy? Anyone who genuinely believes that the Orange Order was going to morph into a paramilitary group in the event of a Yes vote last year or that Carrickfergus is a hotbed of neo-Nazism has a tenuous grip on reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Does this excuse certain posters denigrating a whole community, that sort of behaviour being, in itself, the essence of bigotry? I don't know what you're on about. Is the Orange Order a community? I thought it was a weird fraternal organization which embarrasses members of wider communities. I would denigrate any fraternal organization tbh, whilst accepting that certain members might be alright aside from the need to be part of a fruity club, but fraternal societies defined by largely by what they oppose are most deserving of criticism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Have a go then. I'll offer a tenner to a charity of your choice if you can quote me, "deflecting about the comments from the Grand Master." If you're wrong I'd ask for a tenner to be donated to Erskine: http://www.erskine.org.uk/ Deal or no deal? Semantics then, it wasn't the grand master. Chief Bigot or whatever his ludicrous title is. Deflect, deflect, sweep, sweep. So a tenner to Erskine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Why? Because to leave comments like that unchallenged allows the perpetuation of the myth that all the ills of Northern Ireland are down to one side of the fence, and one only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Why? Because to leave comments like that unchallenged allows the perpetuation of the myth that all the ills of Northern Ireland are down to one side of the fence, and one only. I was meaning more the bigot-apologist angle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I don't know what you're on about. Is the Orange Order a community? I thought it was a weird fraternal organization which embarrasses members of wider communities. I would denigrate any fraternal organization tbh, whilst accepting that certain members might be alright aside from the need to be part of a fruity club, but fraternal societies defined by largely by what they oppose are most deserving of criticism. Including the republican ones on the other side? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I don't know what you're on about. Is the Orange Order a community? I thought it was a weird fraternal organization which embarrasses members of wider communities. I would denigrate any fraternal organization tbh, whilst accepting that certain members might be alright aside from the need to be part of a fruity club, but fraternal societies defined by largely by what they oppose are most deserving of criticism. That. in itself, I would agree with, but I would suggest that you re being disingenuous here? Posters on this board often use the vicissitudes of the OO or the paramilitaries as being representative of one side as a while, but I suspect you are intelligent enough to already know that? Racist morons in the loyalist are no more representative of the wider community that the p***k at Parkhead with an IRA flag is representative of thousands of decent Celtic fans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I was meaning more the bigot-apologist angle. Certainly not my stance, but I still get lumped into the bigot apologist group, although point taken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Not surprised you can't even recall half the pish you post tbh. How about this wee nugget of ignorance, chappy? The fair bloke would donate a tenner to Erskine for making a c**t of himself. The cheap man would offer an apology. Which option will you choose? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Including the republican ones on the other side? Yup. I am no apologist, unlike some. I don't know much about the Ancient Order of the Hibernians or anything like that, presumably because they are a complete insignificance compared to the orange order, however I would wager a guess that their members are backward misfits trying to make up for their inadequacies by drawing some pride from being born to someone who was born on a certain patch of land. I'd also guess that someone who takes that much pride in such things is probably predisposed to being a bigot. Masons are weird wankers too but at least they have the decency to be secretive about their existence. Edited July 12, 2015 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 That. in itself, I would agree with, but I would suggest that you re being disingenuous here? Posters on this board often use the vicissitudes of the OO or the paramilitaries as being representative of one side as a while, but I suspect you are intelligent enough to already know that? Racist morons in the loyalist are no more representative of the wider community that the p***k at Parkhead with an IRA flag is representative of thousands of decent Celtic fans. I personally think certain posters are too quick to get a perverse pleasure out of highlighting things which loyalists do wrong but on the other hand I also hate the OO's need to parade their triumphalism about my city all the fucking time and create havoc across the water in the name of cultchurr and tradishion. I also think it's hard to dissociate the guys banging drums from the guys burning effigies and flying flegs because they all kick off at exactly the same time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I personally think certain posters are too quick to get a perverse pleasure out of highlighting things which loyalists do wrong but on the other hand I also hate the OO's need to parade their triumphalism about my city all the fucking time and create havoc across the water in the name of cultchurr and tradishion. I also think it's hard to dissociate the guys banging drums from the guys burning effigies and flying flegs because they all kick off at exactly the same time. Then I think we are in agreement, and I am going back to one of the best Twelfths I have ever had, even though I had forgotten what day it was until I logged on the P&B? In my wee world a Rory Gallagher documentary followed by Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's is the perfect way to celebrate any day, especially when you are full of beer. Particularly his superb version of "A Day In The Life". Too all the morons who might think flying a Nazi fleg might in any way represent me, I'll say just one word. WRONG! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) I think the essence of some, "bigot apologists", on here is that that there seems to be a little group of posters who appear to jump all over anything the loyalist/unionisot/protestant community do while remaining defiantly silent about the "other" side, despite people openly condemning the vicissitudes of the morns in that community. A textbook display of Old Firm paranoia and 'whut aboot them!' whataboutery there. It's clear to see why the groups get along so well. The actions of a group of morons in one community does not make them representative of that community at large. To portray it as such is the very essence of bigotry, Except for the rather inconvenient facts that paramilitary organisations, sectarian hate groups and the political parties linked in various ways to the former have been established, joined, funded, harboured and voted for in large numbers by the communities in question for decades. Which is something entirely different to the random actions of a "group of morons" and reflects the serious failings of the precious "community at large" within the failed statelet. Edited July 12, 2015 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Fud alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cue clichéd nonsense about everyone being complicit, mixed with random inaccurate "facts"....................................................... Go get some spot cream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The constant reference to "bigot apologist", © the Big Greenock Virgin, leads to me to ask who really is the bigot? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigotry I'm not intolerant to any creed, belief traditions etc. other than my own; just the truly cretinous ones. Which just so happen to be found ten a penny in the failed statelet that you slithered from to come here. Gutted for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton75 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Sorry I was not aware of the comment as it seems to be from about 15 years ago , I would have ben 5-6 at the time so excuse my ignorance to the comment , however it was not exactly the call to arms or in the immediate run up to the yes campaign as I thought you were claiming it was to be, so aplogies , it does certainly come across as a stupid thing to say Don't think you can get around me by being all reasonable and mature! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Fud alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cue clichéd nonsense about everyone being complicit, mixed with random inaccurate "facts"....................................................... Go get some spot cream. ^^^ sobbing uncontrollably 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton75 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Why even bother to respond to this guy? Anyone who genuinely believes that the Orange Order was going to morph into a paramilitary group in the event of a Yes vote last year or that Carrickfergus is a hotbed of neo-Nazism has a tenuous grip on reality. Who said they believed that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) A textbook display of Old Firm paranoia and 'whut aboot them!' whataboutery there. It's clear to see why the groups get along so well. Oh f**k right off. The only OF fan on here is me. Edited July 12, 2015 by The_Kincardine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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