DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, RuMoore said: I'm sure he is but he's responding to someone saying most Scots don't support the SNP as opposed to the general electorate. It's obviously a major issue in Scottish politics but the other poster is objectively correct when he says the majority of Scots don't support the Nationalist parties. He didn't say majority - he said most - which has a completely different meaning. Edited August 5, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: Majority just means most i.e. over 50% MAJORITY | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary majority noun [ U ] US /məˈdʒɔr·ɪ·t̬i, -ˈdʒɑr-/ Add to word list more than half of a total number or amount; the larger part of something: A majority of the people voted against the bill to raise school taxes. Unsure where you got your definition from. You should really know these things considering you're a teacher? Your post said most not majority. There's a big difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 18 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: Most Scots don't. Just to show that you used the word most you disingenuous shitebag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: He didn't say majority - he said most - which has a completely different meaning. The majority of Scots don't support Nationalist parties and neither do most Scots... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RuMoore said: The majority of Scots don't support Nationalist parties and neither do most Scots... Wrong on both counts. Even with the majority term there's a majority of voters who voted for parties committed to independence. The term most is deliberately used to ignore the reality that there is a near 50-50 split between unionists and nationalists. If unionists are so confident that they are in the majority then why not have an Indyref2? Or is it the case that they are frightened unionist support is very soft and will drop during the campaign as it did last time round? Edited August 5, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses1924 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Wrong on both counts. I dont see how that can be wrong, given @RuMoorestates in both cases "Scots" not "Scots who vote"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, RuMoore said: The majority of Scots don't support Nationalist parties and neither do most Scots... The majority of Scots don't support the tory party, but we're ruled by them anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, moses1924 said: I dont see how that can be wrong, given @RuMoorestates in both cases "Scots" not "Scots who vote"? If you don't vote you don't have a say. Adding together unionist party votes and non-voters isn't how democracy works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Wrong on both counts. Even with the majority term there's a majority of voters who voted for parties committed to independence. The term most is deliberately used to ignore the reality that there is a near 50-50 split between unionists and nationalists. If unionists are so confident that they are in the majority then why not have an Indyref2? Or is it the case that they are frightened unionist support is very soft and will drop during the campaign as it did last time round? We're talking about "Scots" not the wider electorate. You've made an arse of it, just admit it rather than this tragic alternative. Just now, StellarHibee said: The majority of Scots don't support the tory party, but we're ruled by them anyway. I don't disagree with that, it's a decent argument and I'm sure a lot of people are compelled by that fact. I'm sure we'd all agree that PR is preferable. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 It's like arguing with a child. The puddle-drinking simpleton is going on ignore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Another interesting way of saying "I've made an arse of it"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, RuMoore said: I'm sure we'd all agree that PR is preferable. The tories and Labour at Westminster don't seem to think so. But they may decide to shoehorn it into Holyrood if they still can't touch the SNP there, considering the ultimate failure of their list system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: It's like arguing with a child. The puddle-drinking simpleton is going on ignore. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses1924 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: If you don't vote you don't have a say. Adding together unionist party votes and non-voters isn't how democracy works. That's al true but still doesn't mean "the majority of Scots do not support indepence suporting parites" is not true given the debate is around Scots rather than Scots who vote. It would be equally true to say the majority of Scots don't support unionist parties using the same paramaters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, RuMoore said: 13 minutes ago, RuMoore said: Another interesting way of saying "I've made an arse of it"... One last reply. It doesn't matter if you use Scots (resorting to ethno-nationalism - no surprise) or the wider electorate - most does not apply to either. Most implies an overwhelming majority not just a simple majority - as you know well it does. I'll leave it there as no doubt you're sock puppets will come white-knighting you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Just to show that you used the word most you disingenuous shitebag. Thanks for the compliment OK, I jumped the gun and used the wrong word, but my points still stands. Most Scots don't vote for parties that support independence, nor do most of the Scottish electorate or most of those who vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, moses1924 said: That's al true but still doesn't mean "the majority of Scots do not support indepence suporting parites" is not true given the debate is around Scots rather than Scots who vote. It would be equally true to say the majority of Scots don't support unionist parties using the same paramaters. He didn't say majority - he said most which has completely different connotations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: He didn't say majority - he said most which has completely different connotations. It doesn't. The words both mean over half. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 "Most" .... "majority" ...blah blah blah British Nationalists will continue to do everything in their power to prevent the people deciding who is the majority. That says it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 10 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: At the last Holyrood election, independence supporting parties got less than 50% of constituency votes. Going by the list is daft as you've got all the single issue wildcard parties that muddy the waters. Using either the list or the constituency vote is disingenuous, as the Indy vote will be boosted by around 5% by the Labour voters who will vote "Yes" in a referendum. No other party splits by as much as 70:30 on this subject The only reason that you've picked the FPTP constituency vote (i.e. the least democratic option available), is that it effectively excludes 2 of the 3 main independence supporting parties, as one doesn't stand at all in constituencies, and the other only stands in a handful. However, using the regional list gives every party a realistic represenrtation and you don't need the single-issue parties to get an indy majority. If we restict our count to the top 6 parties (i.e. those that got over 1%), Indy supporting parties took over 50% of votes cast. The game's a bogey for the Yoons as soon as you add the Alba vote SNP 40.34%, Greens 8.12%, Alba 1.66% TOTAL 50.12% Tories 24.39%, Labour 17.19%, Lib Dems 5.06% TOTAL 45.74% 10 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: Scots don't want independence - plain and simple. Didn't you mean "The scottish electorate voted against independence nearly 9 years ago, and the Yoons are terrified of asking them again"? As I'm sure you are aware, the Scottish electorate is not totally made up of people who consider themselves Scots 10 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: We aren't ruled by Westminster. Don't you believe in the English Doctrine of Parliamentary Superiority then? Surprising for a Yoon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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