Jamaldo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Interesting that DomDom gave Mr Bairn a red dot. I thought he resigned in the now infamous top 50 posters. Apparently he's just "retired" from posting but continues to browse. "This is an interesting topic, which I'd love to give my views on. Shame I've retired." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nothing like a Saturday afternoon word salad ^^^ Not intelligent enough to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Bollocks. That's my 2 reddies wasted on Mr Bairn's stupidity already. Now I've none left for Wisbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Jo But hes was a lowly benefits scrounger. At least that's how this government view people like him. While they have a tax paid taxi(how apt) take then to their tax paid second home to have a tax paid for dinner. What angers me are the people who are bought in by the scrounger rhetoric. Now we all know that there are people who take advantage of the benefits system, but there are people whop take advantage of every system. But does that mean you can label those who are in genuine need? My aunt was on disability payments for years due to extreme mental health issues that began with a long and pretty devastating depression that began when my great Grandmother passed away, she has never been the same person since then. I don't want to call her incompetent, but she struggles with most day to day tasks without supervision and is very clumsy and forgetful at times. Now i cant say if it was ATOS or not, but she was assessed as both physically and mentally fit to seek employment. This is completely ignoring the fact she was taking care of my partially sighted Grandmother day to day(in many ways they take care of each other if you get my understanding) Now thankfully she is registered as my Grans carer, but getting to that point wasnt easy, Despite being partially sighted and even having Doctors register my gran as blind(she is practically) my gran still had to prove that she needed help, they also tried to take away my grans companion bus pass as they believed she didn't need help traveling day to day. Its nothing short of disgusting how this Government treat people, my gran worked and paid her taxes all her life and they treated her like dirt. There is a big problem though when the media constantly drips drips stories of benefits scroungers. The likes of Benefits Street has reinforced the negative image of benefit claimants.The sad truth is that most benefit claimants don't match this awful stereotype. The crazy thing was that existing legislation could easily have dealt with a very small minority. Instead the approach is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack open a walnut. It's really about cutting government expenditure not about benefits. If they are so worried about expenditure then why not look more at how government income is being lost to tax dodgers? But then that might point the finger at a few of their friends (like Murdoch) who could do some damage to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Britnats smugly comparing Independence to Obama's election is an interesting analogy. Their approach to this is essentially to say that wholesale change is unachievable (or undesirable?) so let's just make do with George Bush, John McCain or Mitt Romney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 JoThere is a big problem though when the media constantly drips drips stories of benefits scroungers. The likes of Benefits Street has reinforced the negative image of benefit claimants. The sad truth is that most benefit claimants don't match this awful stereotype. The crazy thing was that existing legislation could easily have dealt with a very small minority. Instead the approach is akin to using a sledgehammer to crack open a walnut. It's really about cutting government expenditure not about benefits. If they are so worried about expenditure then why not look more at how government income is being lost to tax dodgers? But then that might point the finger at a few of their friends (like Murdoch) who could do some damage to them. This. It sickens me how the Government have managed to hoodwink it's Daily Mail reading middle class electorate into thinking that everyone on benefits is a scrounger. Gideon's talk about shut curtains at 6 30 in the morning, combined with constant reference to "hard working families" enforce this myth. Also, I wonder how much the Government have saved when compared with the billions of pounds they've paid to ATOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 This. It sickens me how the Government have managed to hoodwink it's Daily Mail reading middle class electorate into thinking that everyone on benefits is a scrounger. Gideon's talk about shut curtains at 6 30 in the morning, combined with constant reference to "hard working families" enforce this myth. Also, I wonder how much the Government have saved when compared with the billions of pounds they've paid to ATOS. They have played on the fact that, no one likes to think the tax-payer is being ripped-off, so that explains how they have portrayed Benefits claimants, gutter politics There needs to be an enquiry into ATOS and how it was run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redderlichtie Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 The attacks on welfare are not just part of a cost cutting exercise, or a reform to make the welfare system more efficient as is claimed by the Tories, and some posters on here. It is part of a long-term strategy to completely remove welfare provision altogether - an ideologically motivated strategy designed to break down any notion of wider social solidarity and to remove the state altogether from the area of welfare provision. What the Tories, and many within the other major Westminster parties, want to bring about is the wiping away of any notion of a 'social contract' between the governors and governed, and to place the onus of welfare provision on individuals and families. In Scotland, we have been spared the worst impact of welfare cuts through the refusal of the SNP government to institute the worst of the cuts, which also means that we have some of the most generous, or rather least miserly, welfare benefits in the UK. But, the SNP government can only hold the line for so long, and without further powers - and I am not speaking of devo-max here, which will only enable a future Scottish government a little more leeway to decide which parts of welfare they want to retain and which to cut, within the limits of Westminster imposed spending limits - we are heading for hell in a handcart. This is why the issue of what kind of society we want to be is so tied up with the independence issue. Those on here who oppose independence from a 'Labourist' or 'socialist' position have to do more to justify this view than dismissing the SNP as 'Tartan Tories'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 In Scotland, we have been spared the worst impact of welfare cuts through the refusal of the SNP government to institute the worst of the cuts, which also means that we have some of the most generous, or rather least miserly, welfare benefits in the UK. But, the SNP government can only hold the line for so long, and without further powers The SNP could have done a lot more, but chose not to for political reasons. Let's not perpetuate this myth please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 The SNP could have done a lot more, but chose not to for political reasons. Let's not perpetuate this myth please. Can you provide proof of these allegations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Can you provide proof of these allegations? This has already been discussed to death on here. We have established that the SNP could have done a lot more around the so called Bedroom tax for example, and have not done so, purely so they can bleat about it as an issue. Despicable, but that's politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 This has already been discussed to death on here. We have established that the SNP could have done a lot more around the so called Bedroom tax for example, and have not done so, purely so they can bleat about it as an issue. Despicable, but that's politics. You'll forgive me for not being as enlightened as you. What could the SNP have done around the so called bedroom tax? Also, you say they could have done a lot more. What, specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The SNP can completely deal with the bedroom tax using existing powers and budget at Holyrood. This is also true re childcare. They just choose to spend the money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 The SNP can completely deal with the bedroom tax using existing powers and budget at Holyrood. This is also true re childcare. They just choose to spend the money elsewhere. That's just utter lies HB. Absolute lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 That's just utter lies HB. Absolute lies. Actually, no, it isn't. It's absolutely true. The SNP were indeed forced by Labour into amending their budget this year on just this matter. The SNP were forced into a climbdown on this issue. They used it as a political football for a good while, messing with people's lives so they could pretend only Independence was asolution to the bedroom tax. Which was utter lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The SNP can completely deal with the bedroom tax using existing powers and budget at Holyrood. This is also true re childcare. They just choose to spend the money elsewhere. Ok, care to expand and demonstrate how the SNP can completely deal with the bedroom tax, which is of course a reserved matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ok, care to expand and demonstrate how the SNP can completely deal with the bedroom tax, which is of course a reserved matter. It's a financial matter. This is completely within the powers of the Scottish government, whoever they are, to deal with. As indeed has happened, after Labour put significant pressure on Swinney to find the extra cash. It's completely within the powers of the Scottish government to deal with the bedroom tax in Scotland. The SNP chose not to, so they could use it as a political football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 It's a financial matter. This is completely within the powers of the Scottish government, whoever they are, to deal with. As indeed has happened, after Labour put significant pressure on Swinney to find the extra cash. It's completely within the powers of the Scottish government to deal with the bedroom tax in Scotland. The SNP chose not to, so they could use it as a political football. So how come, for example in debates I've seen, when the SNP promise to stop bedroom tax in the event of a Yes vote, the immediate response from the other side isn't that why haven't they done it already? I call shenanigans, HB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 It's a financial matter. This is completely within the powers of the Scottish government, whoever they are, to deal with. As indeed has happened, after Labour put significant pressure on Swinney to find the extra cash. It's completely within the powers of the Scottish government to deal with the bedroom tax in Scotland. The SNP chose not to, so they could use it as a political football. Bollocks and lies from H_B, again. The Westminster government have capped what can be paid in discretionary payments, so to say that the SG can completely deal with it is, lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 i am by no means an expert but I heard an interview on the radio that while the SG have powers to combat the impact of the bedroom tax they can only allocate so much to it. £6million or something like that The SNP applied to the London government asking if they could extend the amount and were told no. edit - beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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