Diamonds are Forever Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Welbeck, Rafael, Fabio, Evans, Wes Brown, Darron Gibson, Kieron Richardson and Gerald Pique all did fine since coming through United's system. Ronnie Wallwork and Luke Chadwick also got league winners medals to their name. They must have done something right. I geniunely thought that post was a piss take when I first read it, particularly the last paragraph. It's been taken apart elsewhere, so I won't bother. Darren Fletcher is probably the last player that Utd have produced that they scouted at a young age, came up through the youth teams and then went on to become an inportant player for them. Signing highly rate foreign players for millions of pounds aged 16/17 is hardly - as Phelan would call it - 'in the traditions of the club'. That's not in any way a criticism of the club by the way, that's the way football works now. It's just a criticism of fans who like to pedal this romantic notion that they turn boys from Salford into Manchester Utd legends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saigon Raider Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Yeah, as I've already said though, this is all on the basis that you can pick 11 players for the rest of the season and won't that be great? Except, that isn't what happens. Players get injured, suspended, lose form, whatever. Man U have glaring squad weaknesses in key positions in a way none of Chelsea, Liverpool or Citeh do. They are faced with trying to oust Arsenal from the top 4. Good luck with that. Have you seen Arsenal so far this season? When you add in Champions League then do you not think they look light in central defence and up front? Liverpool are guaranteed top 4 again? Really? I think United have a great chance of top 4 - I can't see them topping Chelsea of City but 3rd is definitely manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saigon Raider Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Also, winning POTY at Ajax is no longer an automatic shoo-in that he's good enough to play against top Premiership midfields. Apologies if this is what you meant but he won Dutch POTY. It isn't the strongest league but a lot of top players have still come from there in the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 They're pretty much doing what Chelsea and City did in the past (spending far less money so far) Pretty sure the amount of money they spent this Summer is the highest ever by an English club in a single window, so no, they haven't spent "less money so far" in relative terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Have you seen Arsenal so far this season? When you add in Champions League then do you not think they look light in central defence and up front? Liverpool are guaranteed top 4 again? Really? I think United have a great chance of top 4 - I can't see them topping Chelsea of City but 3rd is definitely manageable. I have seen Arsenal. Unfortunately I have also seen Man Utd who are beyond terrible. Yes, Falcao and Di Maria will help, but its still requiring a huge leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Fyvie Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I have seen Arsenal. Unfortunately I have also seen Man Utd who are beyond terrible. Yes, Falcao and Di Maria will help, but its still requiring a huge leap. You saw Man Utd without Falcao, Herrera, Rojo, Shaw and Blind. Anyone who thinks Man Utd are going to have another season like last year being miles off top 4 is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Pretty sure the amount of money they spent this Summer is the highest ever by an English club in a single window, so no, they haven't spent "less money so far" in relative terms. They have the most expensive squad in the PL by about 55 million, so they're not shy about spending money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 You saw Man Utd without Falcao, Herrera, Rojo, Shaw and Blind. Anyone who thinks Man Utd are going to have another season like last year being miles off top 4 is an idiot. Right, and they will all be available when? And of course, they will all be available, settle in straight away to whatever formation Van Gaal is trying to achieve, gel with their team mates and be just super. Who has said they will be "miles off" the top 4? They need to oust one of the existing top 4 to achieve it and the two weakest candidates, Arsenal and Liverpool have both significantly strengthened this summer also, and had a better base to begin with. Man U will get it right eventually - they've spent enough money to ensure that. But I would make them 5th favourites to be top 4 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Man Utd have probably spent less this window than Chelsea spent purely on sacking managers in between Mourinho's reigns at the club if your going to speak in relative terms. Chelsea have probably spent less sacking managers, than man utd have on the interest servicing their massive debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Man Utd have probably spent less this window than Chelsea spent purely on sacking managers in between Mourinho's reigns at the club if your going to speak in relative terms. Well sacking Ranieri, Mourinho, Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Ancelotti, AVB and Di Matteo only came to around £50m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saigon Raider Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Right, and they will all be available when? And of course, they will all be available, settle in straight away to whatever formation Van Gaal is trying to achieve, gel with their team mates and be just super. Who has said they will be "miles off" the top 4? They need to oust one of the existing top 4 to achieve it and the two weakest candidates, Arsenal and Liverpool have both significantly strengthened this summer also, and had a better base to begin with. Man U will get it right eventually - they've spent enough money to ensure that. But I would make them 5th favourites to be top 4 this season. So the players United have signed will takes ages to gel with the team but the 10? players Liverpool have signed will fit right in? This is a Liverpool side without Suarez and with Champions League to contend with. Just out of interest, as Arsenal have significantly strengthened their side, who have they added? Chambers, Debuchy and Sanchez but they have lost Sagna. They only have 2 centre backs with Koscielny being injured and Nacho Monreal seems to be considered a starter... You are certainly a lot more confident than any Arsenal fans I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Im pretty sure i read the figure on here was like 96 million at one point but i could be wrong, still a ridiculous amount to spend on simply sacking managers. Thats still less than what United spent this Summer anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So the players United have signed will takes ages to gel with the team but the 10? players Liverpool have signed will fit right in? This is a Liverpool side without Suarez and with Champions League to contend with. The Liverpool side that comfortably and comprehensively destroyed Tottenham at White Hart Lane had 4 new players from last season, 2 of whom are proven Premier League players, in Balotelli and Lovren. Their other new signings will be integrated as and when. They have absolutely no need to play the likes of Lallana, Markovic, Can, Lambert etc. until such point as they choose to. Man U on the other hand have been shambolic this season already, and are faced with the prospect of having to throw all of their new signings in in a desperate attempt to halt the slide. Di Maria contributed nothing at Burnley - how long is it going to take him to get up to speed? Even if it's 3 or 4 weeks for all of them, that could be the difference at the end of the season. Arsenal have added Chambers as cover at the back, upgraded from Sagna to Debuchy, and have Sanchez and Welbeck, plus the return of Theo Walcott in a few weeks. Yes, they are still the weakest of the top 4, but I would happily bet anyone at Even money that they will finish ahead of Man Utd this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Arsenal have added Chambers as cover at the back, upgraded from Sagna to Debuchy, and have Sanchez and Welbeck, plus the return of Theo Walcott in a few weeks. Yes, they are still the weakest of the top 4, but I would happily bet anyone at Even money that they will finish ahead of Man Utd this season. You say that as if having Welbeck is actually a good thing for Arsenal, when in fact they've spunked £16 million on a player who'll be sitting on the bench for Sunderland in a few years. Sanchez is a good signing, but strikers are the one area where Arsenal are weaker than Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev23 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Di Maria contributed nothing at Burnley - how long is it going to take him to get up to speed?.He was easily their best player that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 You say that as if having Welbeck is actually a good thing for Arsenal, It is. And yes, Arsenal are weaker in the "striker" position than Man Utd. However, they are much stronger in both midfield and defence, until such point that Man U can show they have a clue how to integrate a group of players who on paper look decent into anything approaching a coherent entity. This isn't Football Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 He was easily their best player that game. Yes, that's like saying someone is the best looking Rangers fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Di Maria contributed nothing at Burnley - how long is it going to take him to get up to speed? Stick to the non-football sub-forums, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yeah, you are right man. Everything's fine with Man U. Despite having taken 2 points from Burnley, Swansea and Sunderland.. it's all good now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Di Maria contributed nothing at Burnley - how long is it going to take him to get up to speed? Even if it's 3 or 4 weeks for all of them, that could be the difference at the end of the season. Yeah, you are right man. Everything's fine with Man U. Despite having taken 2 points from Burnley, Swansea and Sunderland.. it's all good now! H_B in goalpost shifting shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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