stonedsailor Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 It would be a joke if it happened but would take it if it happened. As said he never played against St Patricks Athletic. Was his illegibilty by suspension or non registration? The wording MAY BE is important and if Celtic also files a protest (knowing Peter Lawwell he would jump at the opportunity) Illegibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 It would be a joke if it happened but would take it if it happened. As said he never played against St Patricks Athletic. Was his illegibilty by suspension or non registration? The wording MAY BE is important and if Celtic also files a protest (knowing Peter Lawwell he would jump at the opportunity) He was suspended for three games. Games are only deducted from your suspension if you're named in the squad. He wasn't in the squad for the St Pats tie so those two games didn't come off his suspension. He still had a three match ban when named in the squad to face you lot. Obviously Legia haven't realised you need to name the player in the squad, and have assumed the three games played (St Pats twice, Celtic at home) was enough for him to be suspension free, which is wrong. Celtic will be handed the 3-0 win, anything else is flying right in the face of their own rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Illegibility would probably explain why they couldn't see his name on the teamsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Win/win We get our millions and the rest of Scottish football will be backing us for the coefficient points Except Standfree. Seriously though, if we go through this site will crash with the seethe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueDiamond Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 What a bizarre rule. You have to name a suspended player in your squad, knowing you can't then play him for his suspension to take effect? Seems a rule that's right up insanity lane (or UEFA as we know it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 What a bizarre rule. You have to name a suspended player in your squad, knowing you can't then play him for his suspension to take effect? Seems a rule that's right up insanity lane (or UEFA as we know it) With limited squads it makes sense. You could argue that their squad in the previous round contained too many players. The place he freed up made way for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atfccfc Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 He was suspended for three games. Games are only deducted from your suspension if you're named in the squad. He wasn't in the squad for the St Pats tie so those two games didn't come off his suspension. He still had a three match ban when named in the squad to face you lot. Obviously Legia haven't realised you need to name the player in the squad, and have assumed the three games played (St Pats twice, Celtic at home) was enough for him to be suspension free, which is wrong. Celtic will be handed the 3-0 win, anything else is flying right in the face of their own rules Thanks. This was the game he was sent off in last season against Apollon Limassol http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2014/matches/round=2000469/match=2012614/postmatch/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueDiamond Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 True, but surely the whole point of the suspension system is to punish the player that committed the misdemeanour by not allowing him to play in the next x number of games. The club also suffers by (in theory) losing the services of one of their 'normally played' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 True, but surely the whole point of the suspension system is to punish the player that committed the misdemeanour by not allowing him to play in the next x number of games. The club also suffers by (in theory) losing the services of one of their 'normally played' players. In effect, they opted not to pick him rather than him being unavailable for selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Utterly ridiculous situation, real schoolboy error stuff from Legia. The Sion case was clear-cut, deliberately fielding ineligible players as a GIRUY to UEFA and daring them to take any action. This is nonsense though - Legia pumped us fair and square, and could still go out. If I was a Warsaw fan, I'd be spewing at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 True, but surely the whole point of the suspension system is to punish the player that committed the misdemeanour by not allowing him to play in the next x number of games. The club also suffers by (in theory) losing the services of one of their 'normally played' players. Never mind your post after "but" the facts look like Celtic will go through. Rules are rules. The club only has X amount of players allowed in a squad for the match. If a player is suspended he needs to be named in a squad to have served his suspension. It's not a hard concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 However, in 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest from opponents Litex Lovech, who wanted the Hungarian side kicked out of the tournament for fielding an ineligible player. Debrecen argued that they fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour". http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28693855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Utterly ridiculous situation, real schoolboy error stuff from Legia. The Sion case was clear-cut, deliberately fielding ineligible players as a GIRUY to UEFA and daring them to take any action. This is nonsense though - Legia pumped us fair and square, and could still go out. If I was a Warsaw fan, I'd be spewing at this. Its their own fault, If I can know the rules, surely they should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28693855 Already discussed mate. It looks as though the situations are different due to one being a registration issue and one a disciplinary issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Its their own fault, If I can know the rules, surely they should Aye, I mean that the Warsaw fans should be spewing at their own club. Keystone Kops stuff here. Having seen the state of their fans yesterday, if I was part of Legia's backroom staff, I'd be hammering boards over the windows and stocking up on canned food and shotguns. Great vocals and displays, but put me off going to any away games in Poland for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Things in Legia's favour are the huge scoreline, the fact he no effect whatsoever on the result, and they obviously tried to follow the rules but misinterpreted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northsea80 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Things in Legia's favour are the huge scoreline, the fact he no effect whatsoever on the result, and they obviously tried to follow the rules but misinterpreted them. The player in question came on and prevented a good six or seven goal scoring chances, as least that's how i recall it from my recently clouded memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 There is actually Article 14: * A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match. * A match may be declared forfeit if a player who is ineligible under the regulations of the competition concerned participates in the match, as long as the opposing club files a protest. It all comes down to wither or not he was registered for the St.Pats tie to serve the 1st 2 games of the suspension. All indications point to that he was not thus he didnt serve any of the 3 game ban. The rules above make it pretty clear that if he has played when he should have been suspended, the only possible outcome is to forfeit the match 3-0. Things in Legia's favour are the huge scoreline, the fact he no effect whatsoever on the result, and they obviously tried to follow the rules but misinterpreted them. Looks black and white, no room for excuses/reasons. Banned player=void match 3-0 scoreline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 The player in question came on and prevented a good six or seven goal scoring chances, as least that's how i recall it from my recently clouded memory. Exactly how I remember it, played about 30 minutes, 5 or 6 clearances off the line, cracking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upsidedownturtle Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Anyone know when uefa will make the final decision on if celtic go through or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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