Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So we can assume that Ad Lib hasn't provided his "International Law" proof, capital "I", capital "L"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Well I totally agree which is why I don't think either will happen. However if one side throws its toys out the pram ie wm refuse to negotiate CU, I think we could well see a similar stance from sg, for better or worse re. the debt Yeah, that would be wise. Becoming a rogue state from day one, outside the EU and with its largest trade partner by far instituting trade sanctions upon you. A terrific way to begin life as a new country! The bottom line is that rUK can hurt Scotland far more if it chooses to than vice versa. It's like a mouse telling a cat it will blow in its face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yeah, that would be wise. Becoming a rogue state from day one, outside the EU and with its largest trade partner by far instituting trade sanctions upon you. A terrific way to begin life as a new country! The bottom line is that rUK can hurt Scotland far more if it chooses to than vice versa. It's like a mouse telling a cat it will blow in its face. Rubbish, neither side would come out of fuddery well, that's why the triumvirate's stance on currency is ludicrous, anything other than total cooperation from either side after a YES vote will be a short term disaster for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Rubbish, neither side would come out of fuddery well, It's rubbish that rUK's potential to hurt iScotland is greater than the reverse? Oh this should be good - do expand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's exactly what I've been saying for days. A deal will be done because the alternatives are not good for either country. That's an about turn from this quote: "The debt isn't being reneged on though. The only way the debt will be defaulted on is if the UK defaults. Money markets only care about money getting paid. So again... Examples or precedents would be nice on how debt that isn't being reneged can adversely affect a credit rating. I'd go as far to say that a debt free Scotland would be very attractive to lenders." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's an about turn from this quote: "The debt isn't being reneged on though. The only way the debt will be defaulted on is if the UK defaults. Money markets only care about money getting paid. So again... Examples or precedents would be nice on how debt that isn't being reneged can adversely affect a credit rating. I'd go as far to say that a debt free Scotland would be very attractive to lenders." I don't think we'll have a bad credit rating at all. Difficult negotiations will be bad for both though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'd caution at this point that the AUFC character is astonishingly stupid, before this exchange descends any further. Caveat scriptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So much abuse flying around today for a side that has it in the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So the latest BT line, just to be PERFECTLY CLEAR seems to be - iScotland had better not demand a single thing, because a petty, vindictive Westminster could cause more trouble for iScotland than vice versa? No supporters advocating bullying? As long as we're clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It's rubbish that rUK's potential to hurt iScotland is greater than the reverse? Oh this should be good - do expand. No it's rubbish that it would be equivalent to your mouse and cat analogy. It may not be equal but scotland still could hurt uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 No it's rubbish that it would be equivalent to your mouse and cat analogy. It may not be equal but scotland still could hurt uk. I'm sure a mouse can give a cat a nasty bite. Before it gets crunched up and eaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'd caution at this point that the AUFC character is astonishingly stupid, before this exchange descends any further. Caveat scriptor. I don't care much for the opinion of a sadact who spends all day every day in front of a computer screen pretending he's a lawyer. Carry on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm sure a mouse can give a cat a nasty bite. Before it gets crunched up and eaten. To add to his vast plethora of flaws, H_B now advovates and approves of bullying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/02/flaw-osbornes-pre-emptive-strike-against-currency-union Although dating from February this article by a legal academic from the states is very relevent to the current discussion. Seems not everyone is buying the BT bullying over currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Oh no... just when you think the entire quota of legal fail has been filled, along comes a clown quoting David Scheffer .. Awkward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Oh no... just when you think the entire quota of legal fail has been filled, along comes a clown quoting David Scheffer .. Awkward! You're the living embodiment of a legal fail..... IT Assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 A Labour man talking sense: Former Labour First Minister criticises party's currency threat General Former First Minister Henry McLeish has condemned Labour’s threat to try and stop Scotland using the pound following a Yes vote as a "serious miscalculation”, and an attempt "to thwart the settled will of the Scottish people". Speaking in the Scotland on Sunday, Mr McLeish said that the suggestion that Labour would follow a Yes vote by going into the 2015 election telling Scotland it couldn’t have a currency union "can only be perceived as yet another threat…" The intervention of the respected former Labour First Minister follows a visit by party leader Ed Miliband on Friday where he announced Labour’s intention to join with the Conservatives and Lib Dems in order to block a currency union. However the stance by the Labour leader was slammed by Mr McLeish who warned that it, "may go down badly with Scotland who want an argument and want to look at the substance, but don’t want to be irritated or annoyed in this way". Mr McLeish added: "It is a general election next year, are we really suggesting to Scots than in the event of a Yes vote that we will, with the Lib Dems and Conservatives, put up a blocking piece of legislation to thwart the settled will of the Scottish people?". The comments coincided with an article by the First Minister who writing in the Sunday Herald warned Labour that their "hasty gambit" will "look less like a cunning electoral plan and more like an self-inflicted double whammy". Alex Salmond warned all three London parties that they would pay a heavy price for attempting to blackmail Scots into voting No in September. Commenting on the intervention of Mr McLeish, SNP MSP Bruce Crawford said: "On the one hand the No campaign tries to claim the UK is a partnership, but on the other they say Scotland has no right to joint assets or any say over what will happen. "The people of Scotland who are about to exercise their democratic right to determine their country's future will not take kindly to being talked down to by the Westminster establishment. "The reality is an independent Scotland will keep the pound, which is as much our pound as the rest of the UK’s." Last week, pressed in a radio interview, Mr Miliband admitted that the pound was not the property of any one of the constituent parts of the UK, but belonged to all. Mr Crawford added: "When Ed Miliband has accepted that the pound doesn’t belong to England, but is as much Scotland’s as it is the rest of the UK’s, it is utterly reckless of Labour and the other Westminster parties to tell the people of Scotland that following a Yes vote they would deny the settled will of the Scottish people. "As the Survation poll this week showed, even those who have yet to be persuaded of independence want to see an independent Scotland continue to use the pound as part of a currency union because they know it is our currency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So the latest BT line, just to be PERFECTLY CLEAR seems to be - iScotland had better not demand a single thing, because a petty, vindictive Westminster could cause more trouble for iScotland than vice versa? No supporters advocating bullying? As long as we're clear. Got to remember the love the UK want you to feel isn't real. It's not love for you. It's love for what you provide for them. They will hate you if you deprive them of that provision. They would rather you were dead than have you leave them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Yeah, that would be wise. Becoming a rogue state from day one, outside the EU and with its largest trade partner by far instituting trade sanctions upon you. A terrific way to begin life as a new country! The bottom line is that rUK can hurt Scotland far more if it chooses to than vice versa. It's like a mouse telling a cat it will blow in its face. What a load of bollox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 What a load of bollox. A stunning retort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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