Crùbag Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Labour members vote against it. Ho-ho! Bad news for Jackie Bellie. http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/9480-embarrassment-for-labour-as-party-members-vote-to-scrap-trident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It's her metabolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Me confirmed voting Tory 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Me confirmed voting Tory 2015 You'll probably be voting UKIP tomorrow and the Christian Alliance on Wednesday, tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 You'll probably be voting UKIP tomorrow and the Christian Alliance on Wednesday, tbf. I would vote for the Christians if you paid me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Maybe I'm missing something, but since when did the Labour front bench give the remotest f**k what the party rank and file had voted for? They're there to fill seats at a conference and sign cheques, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Maybe I'm missing something, but since when did the Labour front bench give the remotest f**k what the party rank and file had voted for? They're there to fill seats at a conference and sign cheques, nothing more. This is true of all parties. Notably the SNP, who of course abandoned their plan to re-regulate the buses, despite unanimous approval at conference, once Brian Souter started waving his chequebook at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is true of all parties. Notably the SNP, who of course abandoned their plan to re-regulate the buses, despite unanimous approval at conference, once Brian Souter started waving his chequebook at them. Man, you're obsessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Regulating buses == Nuclear submarines. Exactly the same seriousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Regulating buses == Nuclear submarines. Exactly the same seriousness. Oh right, so your point about the party leaderhips not giving a f**k about what the rank and file think, wasn't really a point about party leaderships not giving a f**k about what party rank and file think? Good oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So what is the point of this story? After all we all know that No Trident won't sell South of the border and such a policy will be met with the sort of derision from the puffing upper classes as if the maid had misplaced the order of the knives when laying the table. The English want Trident, they still consider themselves an Empire and think that having nukes in some way makes them relevant on the political map, yet they are only happy if they are located some distance from their second homes in Hampshire. Of course they are deluded and pretty much 40 years out of date. War will not be fought with weapons like Trident and while you could possibly make a case for it acting as a deterrent in the dark days of the cold war (it would be a slim case, but a case none the less) but certainly not now. It's a massive white elephant that will waste huge amounts of public money for a "product" that will never be used and carries an inherent risk simply by owning it. Trident is a perfect example of why Scotland needs independence. Not only do very few of the country wish Trident to be funded, let alone those who want it situated next to them (or within 30 miles of the biggest city in the country - you wouldn't have nuclear weapons stored on the Thames for example, logistics aside) yet we have absolutely no control over the issue. A bit like being the shield in a human shield situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 So what is the point of this story? After all we all know that No Trident won't sell South of the border and such a policy will be met with the sort of derision from the puffing upper classes as if the maid had misplaced the order of the knives when laying the table. The English want Trident, they still consider themselves an Empire and think that having nukes in some way makes them relevant on the political map, yet they are only happy if they are located some distance from their second homes in Hampshire. Of course they are deluded and pretty much 40 years out of date. War will not be fought with weapons like Trident and while you could possibly make a case for it acting as a deterrent in the dark days of the cold war (it would be a slim case, but a case none the less) but certainly not now. It's a massive white elephant that will waste huge amounts of public money for a "product" that will never be used and carries an inherent risk simply by owning it. Trident is a perfect example of why Scotland needs independence. Not only do very few of the country wish Trident to be funded, let alone those who want it situated next to them (or within 30 miles of the biggest city in the country - you wouldn't have nuclear weapons stored on the Thames for example, logistics aside) yet we have absolutely no control over the issue. A bit like being the shield in a human shield situation. What, all of them ? Blimey, everyday's a school day eh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 What, all of them ? Blimey, everyday's a school day eh ! Yup, the lot of them. They all wear bowler hats, and travel to work on the train in pinstriped suits carrying an umbrella. Hasn't 1970's sitcoms taught you anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 What, all of them ? A political majority of them. Do try hard not to take every obviously simplified generalisation so personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is true of all parties. Notably the SNP, who of course abandoned their plan to re-regulate the buses, despite unanimous approval at conference, once Brian Souter started waving his chequebook at them. SNP is all you think about. Ecks got you rattled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 A political majority of them. Do try hard not to take every obviously simplified generalisation so personally. Hardly personally, I'm not a morris dancer for starters but I can still mock sweeping generalisations, just because they don't offend me. I just thought it was a stupid point to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why oh why oh why does a lot of Scotland think that having Trident 25 miles away from the largest city in the country is a good idea?! One serious accident and a huge part of the Scottish population could be toast. But according to the MoD this acceptable collateral damage? WTF? Seems only to be acceptable cos England doesn't have a place for them to go: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/04/mod-nuclear-submarines-scotland-plymouth Why the f**k are we happy to keep them here? This alone should be enough for people to vote Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 ...but I can still mock sweeping generalisations I did try to canvas every Englishperson resident in the country, you know like a referendum, but it was just not practicable. Most of those who were asked were too busy insulting foreigners, complaining about how Europe is the reason that the UK is not an empire any more or noising up innocent women with their pitbulls. Sorry, it'll just have to be a generalisation in it's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The weird thing is there are people on this forum that thinks Trident has kept us safe (people, well at least one on this forum) but they have been literally nowhere when our air and naval capabilities have been dragged down to next to nothing - those two alone are worth more, but you don't get to be US's no.1 puppet without Trident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is true of all parties. Notably the SNP, who of course abandoned their plan to re-regulate the buses, despite unanimous approval at conference, once Brian Souter started waving his chequebook at them. Not to mention the NATOgate incident which caused two of their MSPs to quit the party and leave their majority wafer thin. Every political party is guilty of this. All of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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