H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Something that's interested me is the difference here. I don't think anyone doubts that if they ever voted on it for real the Catalans would overwhelmingly vote to leave Spain. Spain being as it is they will nit get the kind of democratic opportunity we did here. And yet we completely rejected secession in huge numbers. So why is this? Is it because the Catalans have a poorer deal vis a vis Madrid than we do Westminster ? Are they more insular and parochial ? More fleg waving Nationalists of an ethnic variety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Seen they are getting a vote on it somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madwullie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think Spain is a much looser conglomeration of areas with much more regional identity. They all have their own "languages" which for the most part are Spanish with slightly different spellings. One sign I saw had Universidad, Universitat and I think Universitad on it. I know a galician girl who posts in galician pretty frequently on fb and I can understand almost all of it from my semi-decent understanding of Spanish. In saying this, basque is completely different. Their language is absolutely mental. Looks like no other language I've ever seen. Not sure if some of the feelings stems from the civil war too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 They're preparing to vote but it's certainly not endorsed by Madrid. In fact, I think it might be illegal under Spanish law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Im going for 2-1 to the Catalans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think Spain is a much looser conglomeration of areas with much more regional identity. They all have their own "languages" which for the most part are Spanish with slightly different spellings. One sign I saw had Universidad, Universitat and I think Universitad on it. I know a galician girl who posts in galician pretty frequently on fb and I can understand almost all of it from my semi-decent understanding of Spanish. In saying this, basque is completely different. Their language is absolutely mental. Looks like no other language I've ever seen. Not sure if some of the feelings stems from the civil war too. This is pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Independence result: Catalonia 1 Caledonia 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Are? And what fucking currency would they use, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Oh sorry... can i just do the 'cos they're no shitebags' post for the gimp contingent. Save them the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 The Civil war is a fair point. As is i guess that the wealth differential with the rest of Spain is so marked that no one doubts the financial reasons for secession. I'd be fascinated to see how a UDI worked out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 They are voting on it, but the vote is being brought by the Catalan parliament who don't have power over constitutional matters. As I understand it, the Catalan language was made illegal when Franco was in power, so there's obviously historical bad blood there. Even so, the wiki page only really shows polls showing support for independence around the time of the recession. Things in Spain are much, much worse than the UK (unemployment over 20%) which doubtlessly makes these feelings greater. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Catalonia will vote Yes and Spain will say the vote is illegal. Wonder what the EU will make of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Cos they're no shitebags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Something that's interested me is the difference here. I don't think anyone doubts that if they ever voted on it for real the Catalans would overwhelmingly vote to leave Spain. Spain being as it is they will nit get the kind of democratic opportunity we did here. And yet we completely rejected secession in huge numbers. So why is this? Is it because the Catalans have a poorer deal vis a vis Madrid than we do Westminster ? Are they more insular and parochial ? More fleg waving Nationalists of an ethnic variety? maybe they aren't traitors, thugs or cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Catalunya is the lifeblood of the Spanish economy. I believe I read that over 30% of production in Spain comes from Catalunya yet it's share of the total population is FAR lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think Spain is a much looser conglomeration of areas with much more regional identity. They all have their own "languages" which for the most part are Spanish with slightly different spellings. One sign I saw had Universidad, Universitat and I think Universitad on it. I know a galician girl who posts in galician pretty frequently on fb and I can understand almost all of it from my semi-decent understanding of Spanish. In saying this, basque is completely different. Their language is absolutely mental. Looks like no other language I've ever seen. Not sure if some of the feelings stems from the civil war too. they don't all have their own languages and the ones that are different are a lot more than different spellings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Catalunya is the lifeblood of the Spanish economy. I believe I read that over 30% of production in Spain comes from Catalunya yet it's share of the total population is FAR lower. Imagine Spain losing Barcelona? Ooooft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Spain are the whiniest c***s in Europe. Absolutely shite time. We had our chance and fucked it, and Catalonia would landslide the f**k out of a referendum but it probably won't be recognised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanetti Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think Spain is a much looser conglomeration of areas with much more regional identity. They all have their own "languages" which for the most part are Spanish with slightly different spellings. One sign I saw had Universidad, Universitat and I think Universitad on it. I know a galician girl who posts in galician pretty frequently on fb and I can understand almost all of it from my semi-decent understanding of Spanish. In saying this, basque is completely different. Their language is absolutely mental. Looks like no other language I've ever seen. Not sure if some of the feelings stems from the civil war too. The languages are a lot more than just Spanish with different spellings. Catalan in some aspects is actually closer related to both Italian and French, and Galician is essentially a dialect of Portuguese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Spain say the referendum is illegal unless the whole of Spain votes on it..... Also worth pointing out that David Cameron is a bit of a catalan hero for not standing in the way of the referendum here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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