clash city rocker Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Trust me it's not. The East management committee were dead set against what we have now, but the clubs voted it through anyway. As I said, the clubs have the power if it can be harnessed correctly. Not so easy in the West mate. The West clubs actually voted for a new league set up only for the regional secretary to refuse to accept the vote. Guy has too much influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 This licence nonsense again ? Someone posted a link to it which didn't explain much Can anyone list in full in black n white on here what is actually needed for a licence Thought you needed floodlight & x amount of seats but led to believe you don't now ? Is there a cash payment that's needed ? If someone could write it down that would be great Was it not hibbeejibee who posted the link? IIRC that was from the SFA site and explains just about everything barring a few tweaks that may have been done since uploading. It's a fairy simple document to understand. If it wasn't that link go on the SFA site and read it, should clear up 90% of questions. Isn't there also a need for a qualified first aider amongst committee members. ? Probably not any mention of committee members re first aid.However i'd expect every single club to have a first aider at training and on matchdays. You are an employer and having a trained first aider is fully expected of you. This shouldn't be considered as an additional requirement for licencing, it's a basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Was it not hibbeejibee who posted the link? IIRC that was from the SFA site and explains just about everything barring a few tweaks that may have been done since uploading. It's a fairy simple document to understand. If it wasn't that link go on the SFA site and read it, should clear up 90% of questions. Probably not any mention of committee members re first aid. However i'd expect every single club to have a first aider at training and on matchdays. You are an employer and having a trained first aider is fully expected of you. This shouldn't be considered as an additional requirement for licencing, it's a basic. Was a nightmare on my phone & not had the chance to look at it on a pc yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Not so easy in the West mate. The West clubs actually voted for a new league set up only for the regional secretary to refuse to accept the vote. Guy has too much influence. Well then you table it again the following year and get the required support beforehand so the result can't be cast in doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The licence application needs to evidence community football engagement. There needs to be a treatment room with its own access point rather than via another room. Every club policy needs written up. There is an annual reassessment by the sfa. You'll need a disabled toilet and reasonable disabled access - we laid a new concrete path for wheelchairs from the entry gate to the back of the already paved terrace area and put the new disabled toilet into that area too. You need 3 years of audited accounts. We had the great misfortune to lose Craig Devine to a heart attack at Prestonfield 2 seasons ago. Craig was a member of the Bonnyrigg committee. Since then we've had a defibrillator given to us and committee members have been trained to use it. That's not a licence reqt but in my view it should be and I'd recommend that every junior club gets something like that organised. Craig was just a young man but the age profile at this level suggests it would be a good thing to have. I am reaching the conclusion that clubs should also try to have a doctor on call as I've seen three incidents within a 4 or 5 week period where guys went down. 2 of those were at Bo'ness who are fortunate enough to have Tynieness available to them and whilst he's not a doctor, he at least knows what end's what. I think clubs who pull in over 250 a week on average should be thinking about this as a duty of care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Was it not hibbeejibee who posted the link? IIRC that was from the SFA site and explains just about everything barring a few tweaks that may have been done since uploading. It's a fairy simple document to understand. If it wasn't that link go on the SFA site and read it, should clear up 90% of questions. Probably not any mention of committee members re first aid. However i'd expect every single club to have a first aider at training and on matchdays. You are an employer and having a trained first aider is fully expected of you. This shouldn't be considered as an additional requirement for licencing, it's a basic. Agreed However no matter how well clubs can prepare to deal with incidents through numerous professional people being onboard , sometimes we need that wee bit of lady luck in the crowd too even at the top level. Remember the guy Muamba of Bolton being greatly helped by a spurs fan who had to run on the park and save him as he specialised in his field which was opportunistic to say the least . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Well then you table it again the following year and get the required support beforehand so the result can't be cast in doubt. The support was there, the proposal was passed. He refused to accept on technicalities, ordered a re vote, used his influence on certain clubs ...and bingo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The support was there, the proposal was passed. He refused to accept on technicalities, ordered a re vote, used his influence on certain clubs ...and bingo . Who is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Who is he? Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The support was there, the proposal was passed. He refused to accept on technicalities, ordered a re vote, used his influence on certain clubs ...and bingo . Nothing to stop it being proposed again, if there's a will to do it. Key to it is getting the proposal clear and firmed up, circulate it to clubs, discuss it on and off line, and get enough clubs on board to vote it through at the AGM. He cant stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Agreed However no matter how well clubs can prepare to deal with incidents through numerous professional people being onboard , sometimes we need that wee bit of lady luck in the crowd too even at the top level. Remember the guy Muamba of Bolton being greatly helped by a spurs fan who had to run on the park and save him as he specialised in his field which was opportunistic to say the least . Luck is worth more than any planning, training or knowledge, but we can't control that, we can control the other things and it does safe lives. We can't expect a crowd full of expert doctors in every field with each club having an fully equipped hospital next to the ground "just incase" but there's plenty we can do, and every club should regularly be keeping and eye on their procedures etc and checking where they can improve. I know its another thing for committees to do, but its an essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man on a bike Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Nothing to stop it being proposed again, if there's a will to do it. Key to it is getting the proposal clear and firmed up, circulate it to clubs, discuss it on and off line, and get enough clubs on board to vote it through at the AGM. He cant stop that. I agree with this approach. In fact I can't see anyone objecting to this approach. That is if they want to look at how best to improve the junior game and also to encourage the positive involvement of the clubs. If someone went to Tom Johnstone to get the email addresses for the key office bearers of all the clubs, would he be willing to provide it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGafraidh Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Here is the club licensing website http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Contact details for all west clubs is in the annual handbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I agree with this approach. In fact I can't see anyone objecting to this approach. That is if they want to look at how best to improve the junior game and also to encourage the positive involvement of the clubs. If someone went to Tom Johnstone to get the email addresses for the key office bearers of all the clubs, would he be willing to provide it? Some clubs won't vote against Robertson's wishes. Clubs won't vote to abolish re instatement against Johnston's wishes. Junior football really can't change itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Some of the stuff mentioned above is just common sense anyway, whether or not each club is involved in licensing. There have been various pieces in the Edinburgh and Borders papers recently on the different things the EOS League has been doing to assist its clubs... each of them has been given a defibrillator; received first aid trainings; received free spaces on coaching and on goalkeeping courses; plus the league pays their insurance, buys their match balls and compensates travel costs for postponements from a hardship fund. It may not win licences but it may save a club money or save a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Some clubs won't vote against Robertson's wishes. Clubs won't vote to abolish re instatement against Johnston's wishes. Junior football really can't change itself. Are there any clubs in particular who are obstacles to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Some clubs won't vote against Robertson's wishes. Clubs won't vote to abolish re instatement against Johnston's wishes. Junior football really can't change itself. Especially if it doesn't even try....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Some of the stuff mentioned above is just common sense anyway, whether or not each club is involved in licensing. There have been various pieces in the Edinburgh and Borders papers recently on the different things the EOS League has been doing to assist its clubs... each of them has been given a defibrillator; received first aid trainings; received free spaces on coaching and on goalkeeping courses; plus the league pays their insurance, buys their match balls and compensates travel costs for postponements from a hardship fund. It may not win licences but it may save a club money or save a life. Where does the EoSFL get the money from for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Take a look about lots of junior grounds and you will see subtle little improvements at lots of them , yes lots are common sense but lots are also aiming to comply and trust me once one club is brave enough to break away from our terribly run grade you will see lots of others doing the same. Some people think it's pie in the sky but these will be the same people who laughed off the idea of amalgamated leagues which we have now when everything was regional in terms of only Ayrshire / central leagues back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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