1320Lichtie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 In short, and by Lichtie's own admission, Given has enjoyed a very good career, not a successful one. Personally, Shay Given has had really successful career in football. Success means accomplishing or achieving something, Shay Given has achieved a lot in football personally. He's had a great career. Regardless of whether the teams he has played for have won anything or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino7 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 In short, and by Lichtie's own admission, Given has enjoyed a very good career, not a successful one. He's successfully played in the English top flight the majority of his career and played in World Cups and European championships. Medals isn't everything, not sure how you could say it hasn't been a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Shay Given has enjoyed a good, long, solid career in the top flight of English football. So have a number of other keepers whose careers wouldn't be described as successful. Bearing that in mind, the one thing that successful goalkeepers from Given and his good, solid peers is winners' medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Why have Lichtie and Bambino suddenly decided a 'highly successful' stint down south isn't what everyone is talking about, you know the original point - and just keep saying "BUT HE PLAYED FOR IRELAND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Josh Magennis has played in Scotland's top flight for six years and is likely to feature in the Euros. The sweet, sweet smell of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Shay Given has enjoyed a good, long, solid career in the top flight of English football. So have a number of other keepers whose careers wouldn't be described as successful. Bearing that in mind, the one thing that successful goalkeepers from Given and his good, solid peers is winners' medals.Of course they keepers you mention have had very successful careers too. This is not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackiemyday Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 What a crazy statement to make that Given has not had a successful career! Spending the majority of your career at the very top level, getting paid millions, sounds pretty successful to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 This is a ridiculous argument. I am sure that Shay Given will personally look back on his career and consider himself successful in what he did and relative to many, many keepers from grassroots footballers upwards across the UK he is. The footballing world and history will not look back on Shay Given as a decorated, 'successful' goalkeeper. Both points are correct. Why is it an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 What's the point in anyone trying to win anything? We should just scrap all he cup and league competitions. You're already successful just by becoming professional apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 No, they've had good careers. The likes of Petr Cech, Edwin van der Sar and Joe Hart have had successful careers. This is not difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 What's the point in anyone trying to win anything? We should just scrap all he cup and league competitions. You're already successful just by becoming professional apparently. Well not quite, you can be an unsuccessful professional having an unsuccessful career at a L2 club barely kicking a ball or playing a game or you can be a really successful professional by playing very well numerous times at the very top level. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 No, they've had good careers. The likes of Petr Cech, Edwin van der Sar and Joe Hart have had successful careers. This is not difficult. No this is pointless as the argument is basically of what wording to use, essentially everyone is making the same point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 No, they've had good careers. The likes of Petr Cech, Edwin van der Sar and Joe Hart have had successful careers. This is not difficult. Look up the definition of success. The teams they have played in have been successful, there's a difference between a team being successful and a player being successful personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 What a crazy statement to make that Given has not had a successful career! Spending the majority of your career at the very top level, getting paid millions, sounds pretty successful to me. Given might appear successful to us mere mortals, but he hasn't achieved any more than the tens of other 'keepers who turn out for Premier League teams on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Look up the definition of success. The teams they have played in have been successful, there's a difference between a team being successful and a player being successful personally. A successful gambler wins money. A successful fighter, wins belts. A successful business man builds an empire. A successful footballer just becomes professional, amarite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 A successful gambler wins money. A successful fighter, wins belts. A successful business man builds an empire.A successful footballer just becomes professional, amarite? No. I've already explained that in the last post I made to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 In response to the original point of the thread - Shay Given's winners medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 A successful footballer just becomes professional, amarite? A "highly successful" footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Aye, sorry about that Shay etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 A successful gambler wins money. A successful fighter, wins belts. A successful business man builds an empire.A successful footballer just becomes professional, amarite? Given that Dundee fans regularly make reference to the hero that is Speroni (who hasn't achieved 10% of what Given has) I find this argument stupid. Alan Shearer only won 1 league title in his career, does this mean he was unsuccessful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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