tree house tam Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: 3rd bottom and win a cup would be a great season! What about relegated and papped out in a semi ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I would take relegation and a glorious league cup triumph. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Get this year away to absolute f**k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 34 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Robinson just resigned at Motherwell. It's all hotting up down this end of the table. Tommy Wright a contender? Would certainly make Tony Watt's life interesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, tree house tam said: What about relegated and papped out in a semi ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: I would take relegation and a glorious league cup triumph. I assume that's a joke. More seriously there's good money in the LC. I think winning it gets around 300k plus telly? You would hope that having saved all that money by paying slave wages, there would be an 'eat what you kill' deal for the manager to release at least some of that cash back for fees and/or wages for some quality to keep us up. Motherwell bullet the manager after 9 games without a win, but likely to be on 23 points assuming they get the covid points back, and with a squad that's stronger and deeper than ours in most positions. Interesting times. EDIT - just realised that the cup falls outside window (or at least the final does). Still, we'll have done better than budgeted, you would imagine. Edited December 31, 2020 by Valentino Bolognese 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: I get what RG is saying about one bad appointment, but on the other hand if they get it right you feel that's a squad that should be fine. At first glance they should be, but their keepers are poor/awful (Trevor Carsons figures are much, much, worse than most people would expect) and Declan Gallagher is their only top flight level CB. Their main goal threat seems to be Tony Watt, who we all know is wasteful. Robinson would've kept them up, as would TW, but a less pragmatic manager opens them up and makes these weaknesses more noticeable, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: At first glance they should be, but their keepers are poor/awful (Trevor Carsons figures are much, much, worse than most people would expect) and Declan Gallagher is their only top flight level CB. Their main goal threat seems to be Tony Watt, who we all know is wasteful. Robinson would've kept them up, as would TW, but a less pragmatic manager opens them up and makes these weaknesses more noticeable, IMO. Out of the bottom six, there's not many players I'd take ahead of our first team squad, though we do need numbers in to mix it up a bit. But others might well feel the same about our players. Basically, managers who can get the sum greater than the parts are the difference between survival and getting relegated. Livi are a good example, and Accies have been doing it for years. With Hughes getting a great early reaction from the County players, I'd say there's no single standout relegation candidate anymore. You could argue Accies, but they've been called that every season for the past 6 years and survived. There is nothing between the bottom 5 right now, it could be any one of us. In terms of form, we are the team who have gone the longest without a league win. 9 matches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akuram Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Out of the bottom six, there's not many players I'd take ahead of our first team squad, though we do need numbers in to mix it up a bit. But others might well feel the same about our players. Basically, managers who can get the sum greater than the parts are the difference between survival and getting relegated. Livi are a good example, and Accies have been doing it for years. With Hughes getting a great early reaction from the County players, I'd say there's no single standout relegation candidate anymore. You could argue Accies, but they've been called that every season for the past 6 years and survived. There is nothing between the bottom 5 right now, it could be any one of us. In terms of form, we are the team who have gone the longest without a league win. 9 matches.Because we don’t have a goal scorer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Toon Saintee Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: Being so tight we failed to pay 28 staff even the minimum wage then following it up with a statement basically claiming they didn't do anything wrong but couldn't prove otherwise is an issue tbh. Hardly surprising though. It was 14 grand over a five year period so going by your figure of 28 staff that would work out at two quid per person per week 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, PauloPerth said: Out of the bottom six, there's not many players I'd take ahead of our first team squad. Watt, Lang, Long, Stewart, Tshibola, Kabamba, Brophy etc are all FAR better than Kane and Hendry. I'm probably better than Kane and fucking Hendry!! Conway is pish, I'd rather have Burke or Mackenzie. Mulumbu is comfortably better than Bryson and Craig. We need 2 decent attackers or we are in trouble, big trouble. 26 minutes ago, Lang Toon Saintee said: It was 14 grand over a five year period so going by your figure of 28 staff that would work out at two quid per person per week This. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I assume that's a joke.Not a joke, deadly serious. Would love to have our name on the famous trophy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, jamamafegan said: Not a joke, deadly serious. Would love to have our name on the famous trophy. We all would, but never at the expense of relegation. That would be a financial nightmare for the club. If it took the Arabs 5 years to get out, how long would it take us? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, tree house tam said: Watt, Lang, Long, Stewart, Tshibola, Kabamba, Brophy etc are all FAR better than Kane and Hendry. I'm probably better than Kane and fucking Hendry!! Conway is pish, I'd rather have Burke or Mackenzie. Mulumbu is comfortably better than Bryson and Craig. We need 2 decent attackers or we are in trouble, big trouble. This. Which of those prolific attackers you going for Tam? Chris Long 1 goal in 15 matches Aaron Tshibola 2 in 19 Ross Stewart 2 in 19 Tony Watt 3 in 17 Eamonn Brophy 2 in 15 Callum Lang 3 in 16 Chris Kane is on 2 in 11, so about the same level. Out of those you named, only Nicke Kabamba has an almost decent record this season on 5 in 19. Agree we need strikers, but I'm not looking enviously at clubs around us for the answer. Can't argue about Conway and Bryson so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Kabamba and Stewart can actually win headers and play up top on their own, tbf, but Kane I suppose is getting better at that. Hes the only striker scoring at the moment. Brophy isn't a striker I rate at all. Watt we've been there and done it with. Long? No idea, attitude seems a major issue with him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentino Bolognese Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Kabamba and Stewart can actually win headers and play up top on their own, tbf, but Kane I suppose is getting better at that. Hes the only striker scoring at the moment. Brophy isn't a striker I rate at all. Watt we've been there and done it with. Long? No idea, attitude seems a major issue with him. Would have both of them in our starting lineup TBH. In fact I'd be surprised if Stewart doesn't score against us on Saturday. Also agree on McKenzie, weirdly underappreciated by home fans IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Valentino Bolognese said: In fact I'd be surprised if Stewart doesn't score against us on Saturday. I would be surprised if he did... Edited December 31, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: At first glance they should be, but their keepers are poor/awful (Trevor Carsons figures are much, much, worse than most people would expect) and Declan Gallagher is their only top flight level CB. Their main goal threat seems to be Tony Watt, who we all know is wasteful. Robinson would've kept them up, as would TW, but a less pragmatic manager opens them up and makes these weaknesses more noticeable, IMO. Has Carson regressed since his injury? I know you're going from stats, but I thought he was still considered one of the best keepers in the league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 38 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Which of those prolific attackers you going for Tam? Chris Long 1 goal in 15 matches Aaron Tshibola 2 in 19 Ross Stewart 2 in 19 Tony Watt 3 in 17 Eamonn Brophy 2 in 15 Callum Lang 3 in 16 Chris Kane is on 2 in 11, so about the same level. Out of those you named, only Nicke Kabamba has an almost decent record this season on 5 in 19. Agree we need strikers, but I'm not looking enviously at clubs around us for the answer. Can't argue about Conway and Bryson so far. It's not all about putting it in the net as you well know, especially if you're counting Kane being an asset to St Johnstone atm. The strikers I've mentioned all have assets that would compliment Callums formations, they'd probably be better partners for May as well. I'd also bet they would've taken some of the many squandered chances this season, Kane was guilty of about half a dozen against Hamilton and that was him having a so called decent game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Has Carson regressed since his injury? I know you're going from stats, but I thought he was still considered one of the best keepers in the league. It's not a flawless system I have, but I have him as being a consistently below average keeper throughout, and near the worst in the last 5 years in 18/19 before his injury, a massive downgrade on Mark Gillespie who legitimately was one of the best in the league. He's not Clark-esque in terms of conceding when he shouldn't, but he performs almost exactly to his xG conceded. Hes a below average top flight keeper, yet most people, like yourself, seem to see him as a top half keeper. If the defence in front of him is poor, then he won't be keeping clean sheets consistently. Going the other way though, he's a better keeper than Archer, Chapman, Clark, Fulton and Laidlaw. As I say, it's naturally a flawed system, but thats how he comes out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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