Lang Toon Saintee Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, perthsaints99 said: Registering MacLean as a player makes perfect sense. There are no cons to having him as a coach on the sidelines who can be called upon if absolutely necessary. Anyone who thinks he'll play a bigger part than a 'last resort' are kidding themselves on. He will spend 90%+ of his time in the dugout. Everybody chill out. "Everybody" The only person getting worked up about it is Random 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 You say that as a joke, but we had to throw in our 49 year old Bobby Geddes after Rab Douglas, Tony Bullock, Derek Soutar and whoever our main youth keeper at the time was got injured back in 2010. Better safe than sorry! Played a blinder as well.Six keepers? Nae wonder you fuckers are never far from administration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, The Marly said: 2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: You say that as a joke, but we had to throw in our 49 year old Bobby Geddes after Rab Douglas, Tony Bullock, Derek Soutar and whoever our main youth keeper at the time was got injured back in 2010. Better safe than sorry! Played a blinder as well. Six keepers? Nae wonder you fuckers are never far from administration. Counting not your strong point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Counting not your strong point?Five injured and you had a sixth available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Five injured and you had a sixth available. Nope. I fucked that up. Still five keepers etc[emoji1] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, The Marly said: 3 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: You say that as a joke, but we had to throw in our 49 year old Bobby Geddes after Rab Douglas, Tony Bullock, Derek Soutar and whoever our main youth keeper at the time was got injured back in 2010. Better safe than sorry! Played a blinder as well. Six keepers? Nae wonder you fuckers are never far from administration. 14 minutes ago, The Marly said: Five injured and you had a sixth available. 13 minutes ago, The Marly said: Nope. I fucked that up. Still five keepers etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) The downside of the 3-4-3 our manager wants to play is that the central player and wide players across the front three are further apart, and generallly don't work together so much as in a two. Took Tommy Wright half a season to realise neither May or Hendry are particularly suited to playing through the middle on their own; but once that was established they looked like forming a really good partnership. Would be a shame if we have to go through all of that trial and error again for a couple of months until we eventually reach the same conclusion. I hope Cleland is going to be vocal on this to Davidson. It also leaves space in the midfield for the opposition, and means McCann spends far longer chasing and harrying the opposition than he does getting on the ball and dictating play. Parish Kerr Gordon McCart McNamara McCann Craig Wotherspoon Tanser/ Booth Hendry May Edited August 3, 2020 by PauloPerth Typo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, PauloPerth said: The downside of the 3-4-3 our manager wants to play is that the central player and wide players across the front three are further apart, and generallly don't work together so much as in a two. Tbf I dont think that was the idea. Millwall play it like this (average position on the ball)... Compared to us on Saturday... But theres obviously the caveat of O'Halloran going off early. Ideally Hendry would be further up (again its influenced by being a man down), with the two wider players playing off him. Bit saft but reading a lot about the tactic to try and understand it better. Really intrigued as its not a set up I've seen in Scotland before, but apparently Italian sides have used it for years, and German sides starting to move to it a few years ago aswell. Barca and Man City have used variations on it lately aswell. Defensively its meant to be strong against 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 so a lot of "weaker" sides use it to great effect against stronger sides, but its reliant on the defenders all man marking their ppposing attacker successfully (Tanser v Forrest sounds bad). White dots are how we should end up defensively against the type of formations Celtic/Rangers will play against us. Everyone has their man at the back, and the midfield is clogged. You force the ball back to a CB... ... and squeeze. Forcing them to go long or make risky passes in the backline. Obviously a complicated system for players to learn, especially over the course of just a few games, but can definitely see the strengths of it. Pathetic but I'm looking forward to us playing it more and seeing how it develops. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Interesting stuff RG, cheers for that. The thing with any system is its dependent on having the players to be able to carry out. I've always felt a system should be developed around the qualities/ strengths and weaknesses of the players, and not have a system in mind and force the players you've got into it. But then possibly it will take time to see if our players can learn to play it successfully. Hadn't really thought of it as being suitable for playing against stronger teams, as I would tend to think of playing 3 up front as quite adventurous, but looking through your post and the graphics, when you think of how the OF like to build from the back, there's a logic to defending from the front and forcing them long, where we are arguably at our strongest in terms of our three centre backs. Disrupting their build up play from the start might a decent game plan for all we know. Curious to see how it goes against them. Its certainly true that sitting in, especially against celtic over the past couple of seasons, has been a case of just waiting for the inevitable to happen and it causes them no problems at all to think about. Also be interesting to see if we adapt it when playing against 'weaker' teams. We were mostly fine defensively throughout the majority of the match on Saturday, but didn't look too coherent in possession playing that formation in the first half. Early days, obviously. All very geeky I guess but good to get a bit more insight intimate the managers' thinking, cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 One more thought, Macca was yelling to Hendry a lot in the second half to show the defender to 'one side'. Meaning to angle his run in when closing down the defender to close off the larger part of the park and force the defender to play it long or play a short pass into an area where we've got numbers to quickly close the opponent down. Fits into what you described above from that tactics site. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 At least we're keeping him busy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: At least we're keeping him busy! A postie. Found his level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Saintee said: A postie. Found his level. Work experience for his move to pt football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Update on injuries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Update on injuries.Chris Kane missed the letter box and hurt his hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Tbf I dont think that was the idea. Millwall play it like this (average position on the ball)... Compared to us on Saturday... But theres obviously the caveat of O'Halloran going off early. Ideally Hendry would be further up (again its influenced by being a man down), with the two wider players playing off him. Bit saft but reading a lot about the tactic to try and understand it better. Really intrigued as its not a set up I've seen in Scotland before, but apparently Italian sides have used it for years, and German sides starting to move to it a few years ago aswell. Barca and Man City have used variations on it lately aswell. Defensively its meant to be strong against 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 so a lot of "weaker" sides use it to great effect against stronger sides, but its reliant on the defenders all man marking their ppposing attacker successfully (Tanser v Forrest sounds bad). White dots are how we should end up defensively against the type of formations Celtic/Rangers will play against us. Everyone has their man at the back, and the midfield is clogged. You force the ball back to a CB... ... and squeeze. Forcing them to go long or make risky passes in the backline. Obviously a complicated system for players to learn, especially over the course of just a few games, but can definitely see the strengths of it. Pathetic but I'm looking forward to us playing it more and seeing how it develops.Not pathetic. Interesting analysis. Informative.Randoom at his best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Van Dyke Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) Got our season tickets today. Well done to the ticket office for getting them out so quickly. Strip is out and we’ve got our season tickets, what am I going to moan about now? Edited August 4, 2020 by Dick Van Dyke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Dick Van Dyke said: Got our season tickets today. Well done to the ticket office for getting them out so quickly. Strip is out and we’ve got our season tickets, what am I going to moan about now? Test event failure? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Van Dyke Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said: Test event failure? Oh I do hope it goes well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Positive, sometimes. Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dick Van Dyke said: Oh I do hope it goes well. I have some faith it will. Same company doing other teams and I imagine Saints have little control over the service to f**k it up so should be fine! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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