Cerberus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Hope the fruit picking market in suffolk is booming https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1085927932638478339That’ll just be more project fear.Buy British and it’ll be fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: Tbf there's one direction the European Project is currently accelerating towards and it's not the left. Also,with this being the centenary of the brutal betrayal and murder of Rosa Luxemburg let's remember what happens when social democrats ally with rabid conservatives. Germany in 1919 was mayhem, with a new government of social democrats trying to establish itself. Rosa Luxemburg supported a communist uprising with the aim of trying to create a set up similar to Bolshevik Russia. In the circumstances of the time, probably very much a moot point as to who betrayed who. Edited January 18, 2019 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I don't think the rise of the right in Europe correlates directly with poverty, Hungary and Poland have had some of the fastest wage growth rates in Europe and they have the most right wing Governments. Hungary is trying to impose compulsory overtime because they're short of labour, their strict immigration laws probably don't help. Disillusion with the status quo after the stagnation following 2008 when the people who caused it got off scotfree is understandable in the West , but the Polish economy barely skipped a beat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 What you're all forgetting is that the rhyme is actually: "if the sound is 'ee', then put i before e, except after c" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 This is behind a paywall but the first two visible paragraphs are enlightening. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/amp/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Granny Danger said: This is behind a paywall but the first two visible paragraphs are enlightening. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/amp/ Utterly delusional, yet untouchable. If she carries on with this attitude then No deal will be the only outcome. It's almost as if she is a rabid brexiteer. Monday's plan B announcement will be a giggle. In short the UK is utterly fucked with her at the helm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, I'm Brian said: Utterly delusional, yet untouchable. If she carries on with this attitude then No deal will be the only outcome. It's almost as if she is a rabid brexiteer. Monday's plan B announcement will be a giggle. In short the UK is utterly fucked with her at the helm. Tough and resolute! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: I don't think the rise of the right in Europe correlates directly with poverty, Hungary and Poland have had some of the fastest wage growth rates in Europe and they have the most right wing Governments. Hungary is trying to impose compulsory overtime because they're short of labour, their strict immigration laws probably don't help. Disillusion with the status quo after the stagnation following 2008 when the people who caused it got off scotfree is understandable in the West , but the Polish economy barely skipped a beat. I believe there is a link to poverty, but I am of the notion that you have to look at the history and culture of those people/races to ascertain where these extreme views come from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 No comment required 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 16 hours ago, Boghead ranter said: Weird thing to say. Woosh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 From the Guardian. "You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January, marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit." From the Express "BREXIT FURY: UK will 'turn remain' THIS WEEKEND as Leavers have DIED OFF - sick claims." (Note overuse of capitals for thickos.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: I believe there is a link to poverty, but I am of the notion that you have to look at the history and culture of those people/races to ascertain where these extreme views come from. Yes, I'd agree with this, although as someone who visits Poland regularly I never see any sort of direct racism from the ordinary locals towards any non whites. The fact that they're anti immigration isn't overly surprising in today's world where we hear every other day about a terrorist attack or random stabbing / shooting etc by a "migrant" in the likes of Germany, France and even England so if you buy the narrative that immigrants are responsible for lots of crime, then why would you want to take the risk and let them in ? I should add that that I'm speaking from their perspective rather than my own, before everyone jumps on me. As Welshbairn says it's not all linked to poverty but corruption must be right up there along with huge wage inequality between top and bottom and of course you also have the general breakdown in community spirit throughout the developed world with the dawn of social media being a main contributor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: Woosh? Nope. I before e etc : weird doesn't fit, as scientific didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: Woosh? ^^^Wooshed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, capybara said: No comment required Except that she curtseys as badly as she dances., Stick insect. Edited January 19, 2019 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: ^^^Wooshed. Nah, still not sure. Edit. Changed my mind. Edited January 19, 2019 by cyderspaceman Edit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Yes, I'd agree with this, although as someone who visits Poland regularly I never see any sort of direct racism from the ordinary locals towards any non whites. The fact that they're anti immigration isn't overly surprising in today's world where we hear every other day about a terrorist attack or random stabbing / shooting etc by a "migrant" in the likes of Germany, France and even England so if you buy the narrative that immigrants are responsible for lots of crime, then why would you want to take the risk and let them in ? I should add that that I'm speaking from their perspective rather than my own, before everyone jumps on me. As Welshbairn says it's not all linked to poverty but corruption must be right up there along with huge wage inequality between top and bottom and of course you also have the general breakdown in community spirit throughout the developed world with the dawn of social media being a main contributor. I live in the UK but personally have never seen any sort of direct racism on a day to day basis... Just saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Watching Starmer’s speech just before Sky and BBC cut it off. He looked to be reaching the point that the next step in following conference decision is a second referendum. I can see the Shadow Cabinet having to deal with this very soon and splitting. It will be funny if it’s the Corbynite ‘democrats’ are the ones who decide to ignore the party policy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Yes, I'd agree with this, although as someone who visits Poland regularly I never see any sort of direct racism from the ordinary locals towards any non whites. How often have you seen non whites in Poland? When I lived in Norwich there were hardly any non white faces outside the University and restaurants, but the BNP HQ was based there and had a regular stall by the market. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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