LongTimeLurker Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 8 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Do you really need to be spoon fed? If NI is no longer in the same customs space as Great Britain, Dublin starts to become more important than Westminster in people's lives and RoI politicians effectively represent NI in determining macroeconomic policy. Yes, we are already seeing a possible merger between SDLP and Fianna Fail ...and there is a section of moderate Unionist opinion that was definitely willing to contemplate a united Ireland if it was the only way to avoid a hard border. The RoI of today isn't de Valera's Eire any more, so take away the economic case for being in the UK and Unionism would be ####ed in 20 years max. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Imagining for a moment the SNP did vote with the government (they won't but still, imagine), what should their price be?I'd probably start with a single written constitution document.I think they’d want a special status in the single market for Scotland and permanent section 30 powers devolved to Holyrood. Nothing more, nothing less.Why exactly would a written constitution help? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 There is no chance the SNP would want the chance of holding referendums when they want. Asking for a referendum to be held then being rejected by Westminster is worth far more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Emily (wid) saying on Newsnight that Number 10 is claiming that the DUP will now back May's crap deal, and they should now be allowed to bring it back for another vote. You couldn't make it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, sparky88 said: There is no chance the SNP would want the chance of holding referendums when they want. Asking for a referendum to be held then being rejected by Westminster is worth far more. This makes no sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I really don't. I think too many people, especially those young people too interested in their 'pop music', reality tv and shagging, didn't comprehend what this meant and did not vote. I voted but didn't think for one second that leave would win. I do know leave voters who have changed their minds. And some who haven't. I don't know any remainers who have changed their minds. I remember being young. It was mostly good. [emoji4]Those young people are still too interested in all those things and I doubt it’ll change if a second vote was held. If think you’re giving the general population too much credit if you think they’ve learnt their lesson. Most folk are just plain stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Emily (wid) saying on Newsnight that Number 10 is claiming that the DUP will now back May's crap deal, and they should now be allowed to bring it back for another vote. You couldn't make it up.For all the fucking times people say “I want doesn’t get” these c***s do a fair bit of demanding for things with no real basis or reasoning. I do smile to myself at the thought of May stomping her feet and greeting when she heard than Bercow wouldn’t entertain her deal a 3rd time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Emily (wid) saying on Newsnight that Number 10 is claiming that the DUP will now back May's crap deal, and they should now be allowed to bring it back for another vote. You couldn't make it up. Not sure that would fly tbh. The deal itself hasn't changed, surely who votes for it is irrelevant? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, D'Jaffo said: For all the fucking times people say “I want doesn’t get” these c***s do a fair bit of demanding for things with no real basis or reasoning. I do smile to myself at the thought of May stomping her feet and greeting when she heard than Bercow wouldn’t entertain her deal a 3rd time. Now watching tomorrow's paper reviews on Sky News. Headlines like Bollocks to Bercow, The Brexit Destroyer, Bercow Sabotages Brexit Maybe England gets the press it deserves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Now watching tomorrow's paper reviews on Sky News. Headlines like Bollocks to Bercow, The Brexit Destroyer, Bercow Sabotages Brexit Maybe England gets the press it deserves. Unquestionably. Bercow can now look forward to death threats and beefing up his security lest some fat gammon manages to stave off heart failure long enough to have a go at him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: Not sure that would fly tbh. The deal itself hasn't changed, surely who votes for it is irrelevant? I don't see how anyone can argue with that, but no doubt someone will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 And a Scottish hater. His performance on the rugby thread on Saturday was servile cringe at its worst.Just checked out the threadOh dear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 hours ago, DublinMagyar said: 6 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Just remember that it is people like you who voted for this and got us into this mess. Says the NO voter And did voting NO get us into this Brexit mess? Did we know then that we would have a referendum on the EU? Would an independent Scotland have been allowed into the EU? Would we have been allowed in if we refused to join the euro currency as we would have been tied to a British pound? Whereas people like GD voted for Brexit with just a good inkling on the likely outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: And did voting NO get us into this Brexit mess? Did we know then that we would have a referendum on the EU? Would an independent Scotland have been allowed into the EU? Would we have been allowed in if we refused to join the euro currency as we would have been tied to a British pound? Whereas people like GD voted for Brexit with just a good inkling on the likely outcome. It was a very distinct possibility which was highlighted during IndyRef. The likelihood on us not being granted admission into the EU, after a Yes vote in 2014, was 0% You can deny it all you like 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 It was a very distinct possibility which was highlighted during IndyRef. The likelihood on us not being granted admission into the EU, after a Yes vote in 2014, was 0% You can deny it all you likePretty sure even the spanish said they wouldnt block us from joining. The only people who said we wouldnt get in were the no voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Not sure that would fly tbh. The deal itself hasn't changed, surely who votes for it is irrelevant?Yep, I thought this was quite breathtaking, the suggestion that because the outcome of the vote could change that in itself should transcend Bercow's (correct) interpretation of Parliamentary procedure.Worse than that, I'm sure I heard on Newsnight a suggestion that May will tell EU leaders later this week that the DUP are on board and a short extension will suffice. I trust they will tell her that will simply not cut it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: And did voting NO get us into this Brexit mess? Did we know then that we would have a referendum on the EU? Would an independent Scotland have been allowed into the EU? Would we have been allowed in if we refused to join the euro currency as we would have been tied to a British pound? Whereas people like GD voted for Brexit with just a good inkling on the likely outcome. The Tories published a draft EU Ref Bill in 2013. We were also told, chiefly by that fat reptile Ruth Davidson, but also by senior Labour figures that only a NO vote would guarantee continued membership of the EU. We would not have been required to use the Euro, contrary to the popular belief of Brexiters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: ...Worse than that, I'm sure I heard on Newsnight a suggestion that May will tell EU leaders later this week that the DUP are on board and a short extension will suffice. I trust they will tell her that will simply not cut it. At some point the men in grey suits have to appear to tell Theresa May to let it go and accept that she will be viewed by history as having failed on that and that she doesn't have the right to damage the national interest to pursue an ego trip. There is very little chance of the DUP caving in on this, because they will get all kinds of grief from their core electorate if they do: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brain-of-brexit-fears-dup-could-be-bought-into-backstop-u-turn-1-8854080 ...“Already, Dublin politicians are discussing mechanisms to ensure that the interests of ‘the North’ are formally upheld by the Republic, rather as Greek Cyprus notionally represents Turkish Cypriots in EU institutions. “It is possible, I suppose, that the DUP will back down. Unionism has a materialistic side that English observers often miss. The chancellor of the exchequer has reportedly been involved in the discussions, raising suspicions that the government aims to buy the canny Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. “They may succeed, but one should never underestimate the patriotism that motivates most unionists, nor their bloody-mindedness – their thrawnness to use a good Ulster-Scots word – when they have set their course. Will they really vote for a deal whose author boasts that Northern Ireland is ‘the price’ Britain must pay for Brexit?” ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Quite a few folk suggesting the EU would insist on a second referendum as the price for extending A50 - this would be an absolute gift for Leave! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, btb said: Quite a few folk suggesting the EU would insist on a second referendum as the price for extending A50 - this would be an absolute gift for Leave! Far more of a gift for Remain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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