welshbairn Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Detournement said: Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this? Labour will lose far more votes by backing Brexit in the election than not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Possibly. It's a strange election. Voters can treat it as a referendum on Brexit without having to worry about any policy implications. Totally different from a GE. Are there any manifestos? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: Possibly. It's a strange election. Voters can treat it as a referendum on Brexit without having to worry about any policy implications. Totally different from a GE. Are there any manifestos? Nobody reads them, no point until after for opposition research. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: No ive heard him say this too. Hes just a lunatic opportunist. I'm sure I recollect him saying that he'd opposed joining in the European referendum in the 70s, but he'd changed his mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this? I'm sure you recently informed us that the majority of Labour voters backed Remain, so surely better to cement that group in the European Elections, especially when all available evidence is pointing to the UK swinging firmly behind Remain. Trying to be all things to all people is a waste of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said: 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this? I'm sure you recently informed us that the majority of Labour voters backed Remain, so surely better to cement that group in the European Elections, especially when all available evidence is pointing to the UK swinging firmly behind Remain. Trying to be all things to all people is a waste of time. According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and 400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters. Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities. The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and 400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters. Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities. The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be. Gobbledegook. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 If it hits 60% the case for another referendum will become unanswerable imo. https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1118869993259786240 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 55% remain poll 2 days before referendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: If I remember correctly, the poll published day before referendum was around 56-58% remain. 51-49% https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/22/final-eve-poll-poll 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Apologies, clarified above as my original quote was Bollocks. But there was a 55% remain 2 days before. Populas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 "Vote Labour to provide a strong voice for socialism within the EU." "If we decide to stay in - that is." "Not sure. Maybe we'll stay in, maybe we won't. It depends." "If we are there. Great. Ready to fight the good fight." "Then again, maybe we won't be there. That's what some people say." "Anyway, come on everybody, let's do it. Maybe" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The Labour manifesto for the Euro elections has the capacity to be a thing of simplistic brilliance; it also has the capacity to be a suicide note*. I wonder which it will be. * As an aside, I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today. Anti-Semitic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharker Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It's not surprising that Farage is lapping up the EP votes after all they are the only Leave Party..I am though, surprised the Chuka hasn't set up a remain Party for the EU elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: The Labour manifesto for the Euro elections has the capacity to be a thing of simplistic brilliance; it also has the capacity to be a suicide note*. I wonder which it will be. * As an aside, I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today. Anti-Semitic? She'd probably describe him as Kermit. Like most of us did when he was around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today. I'd still decribe him as a noisy c**t. I sat one of my professional exams in the 'toastrack' building at Manchester Poly in 1987 on General Election day. He drove round and round the building with some sort of megaphone on his car shouting "Vote for me, your local MP for 17 years" over and over. C**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Adonis has actually stated that he hopes Brexiteers don't vote for Labour. Farage will be happy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 4/18/2019 at 21:45, Detournement said: According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and 400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters. Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities. The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be. After the first paragraph I don't understand what you're saying here. In spite of the evidence of Ashcroft and others, Labour has allowed itself to become utterly spooked by fear of traditional Labour voters who voted for Brexit and as result has failed to do the right thing by the country by opposing Brexit, aided and abetted by a vacillating Europhobe as leader. You talk of appeasement; sure thing if you mean running scared of electors in Hartlepool and Doncaster. As for Corbyn, he has played an absolute blinder in undermining himself. The dirty propaganda is just that but he has repeatedly given the air of a timid, insecure man who just wants it all to go away rather than going on the front foot and fimly rebutting it. Never mind, fence-sitting is just what the country needs right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 9 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: After the first paragraph I don't understand what you're saying here. In spite of the evidence of Ashcroft and others, Labour has allowed itself to become utterly spooked by fear of traditional Labour voters who voted for Brexit and as result has failed to do the right thing by the country by opposing Brexit, aided and abetted by a vacillating Europhobe as leader. You talk of appeasement; sure thing if you mean running scared of electors in Hartlepool and Doncaster. As for Corbyn, he has played an absolute blinder in undermining himself. The dirty propaganda is just that but he has repeatedly given the air of a timid, insecure man who just wants it all to go away rather than going on the front foot and fimly rebutting it. Never mind, fence-sitting is just what the country needs right now. You can also add that some Labour voters voted Leave in the complete absence of any guidance from their own party. If Corbyn believes that campaigning for something will achieve some good, he should also realise that not campaigning or lukewarm campaigning will have the opposite effect. As for Corbyn wanting it all to go away - after Brexit, there will some other distraction that will get in the way of his great plans. There always will be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 You can also add that some Labour voters voted Leave in the complete absence of any guidance from their own party. If Corbyn believes that campaigning for something will achieve some good, he should also realise that not campaigning or lukewarm campaigning will have the opposite effect. As for Corbyn wanting it all to go away - after Brexit, there will some other distraction that will get in the way of his great plans. There always will be.Not sure that Corbyn has the capability tbh. Yes he's a smart guy but as always been more suited as a Rebel as opposed to a leader. James Connolly he is not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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